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Quality of Garden Plants
« on: January 06, 2011, 09:42:50 AM »
I haven't done much gardening, and have always been under the impression that plant quality was determined by the quality of the seed or other planted item, the traits and skill of the gardener, and whether the gardener has the Super Green Thumb LTR.  In my Garden of Eatin' Challenge game, my character just returned from France with the grape varieties and planted them.  All the grapes were Nice quality except the Cherimola which was Normal.  They were all planted at the same time.  Immediately after planting, the qualities of the plants are:  Cherimola - Great; Gralladina - Very Nice; Renoit - Excellent; Meloire - Nice; Cranerlet - Great; Avornalino - Very Nice.  I don't understand why the qualities vary so much.  Shouldn't they all be the same qualilty except for the Cherimola? 
 
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Re: Quality of Garden Plants
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2011, 10:03:35 AM »
That does seem like quite a bit of variety, I admit. But, there's always going to be a slight variation in parent plant quality after you plant the seed. In general, if we're talking about a level 10 gardener with the SGT reward then the harvest fruit should be 2-3 levels higher than the fruit used for the parent plant: i.e. you used a Nice Renoit Grape for the planting of a new Renoit plant. The plant quality would be Very Nice or Great and the fruit from that plant would probably be Great or even Excellent.   



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Re: Quality of Garden Plants
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2011, 10:31:40 AM »
In general, if we're talking about a level 10 gardener with the SGT reward then the harvest fruit should be 2-3 levels higher than the fruit used for the parent plant: i.e. you used a Nice Renoit Grape for the planting of a new Renoit plant. The plant quality would be Very Nice or Great and the fruit from that plant would probably be Great or even Excellent.   

Yes, that's what I thought.  But the Meloire grape plant quality is exactly the same quality as the grape he planted - no increase at all from either the Green Thumb trait or SGT reward.  And some of the others are higher than I would have expected.  I am having similar experiences with other garden plants - sometimes the plant will be higher quality than what he planted, sometimes not.  It is making it very hard to finally get those perfect plants.

 
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Re: Quality of Garden Plants
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2011, 11:48:35 AM »
Hmmm...that's got to be really frustrating. I'm not seeing those kinds of results with my gardener in that challenge, Schip. I can always count on the parent plant at least being one level higher in quality than the fruit used to make it. How often is this occurring?

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Re: Quality of Garden Plants
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2011, 11:56:29 AM »
It's hard to say how often it's happening, as I haven't been keeping track.  I began wondering why it was taking so long for my plants to increase in quality, and when I had all those grape varieties ready to be planted at once, that was when I decided to check if my suspicions were correct.  About all I can say is that the quality of the plant is never worse than the quality of what was planted, but beyond that the plant quality seems to be quite random.  With the grapes, the plant quality varied from being the same as what was planted all the way up to 3 steps better.  I just don't get it.  ???
 
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Re: Quality of Garden Plants
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2011, 12:30:21 PM »
With the grapes, the plant quality varied from being the same as what was planted all the way up to 3 steps better.  I just don't get it.  ???

Well, there's no sense in even mentioning the 3 steps above because that's a good thing!  :D But, the same quality makes no sense. Not sure what else to say. If this continues to be an issue for you in the event and it's looking like your score will be negatively affected because certain plants will not boost your multiplier, let me know.

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Re: Quality of Garden Plants
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2011, 03:18:21 PM »
All plants and fruits are rated on a percent variable, the actual value is hidden in the background and the game instead displays a generalized quality level(normal, nice, etc...) based on this percent.  This can cause what appears to be a discrepancy when planting fruits/seeds as a seed sitting near the top end of a range is much more likely to be bumped up a level then one sitting near the bottom end.  On top of this the ranges do not all seem to be of even size which can cause additional unevenness.  I am not sure this entirely explains what you are seeing, but it likely is at least a part of it.



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Re: Quality of Garden Plants
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2011, 02:17:58 AM »
I've had this happen before, Schipperke.  Lyrrad has a very technical explanation (welcome to the Forum).  For me, I just say it happens sometimes.  It's not a bug, though.  If you keep replanting your harvested produce, you should see some increase in quality sooner or later.  I know that doesn't help in a challenge situation.  Try talking to the plants, too.  I've seen that increase the quality of the fruit.
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Re: Quality of Garden Plants
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2011, 08:45:25 AM »
Just to add to the depth of the mystery, I had my sim plant another Nice Meloire grape.  The one planted earlier in the day was, as I reported, Nice quality.  The second one was Great.  Go figure.  I'm beginning to think plant quality is just random.
 
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Re: Quality of Garden Plants
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2011, 10:47:47 AM »
I don't know if it's a coincidence or not, but I had similar trouble with the Meloire grapes. They were my very last perfect plant for the challenge - I must have had seven or eight outstanding grapes planted to yield outstanding plants before I finally managed a perfect. Everything else was fairly straightforward. Maybe the Meloire grapes are just more picky than the others.  :-\

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Re: Quality of Garden Plants
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2011, 11:02:18 AM »
That's interesting, Alyssa.  Glad I wasn't the only one with the problem.  "Picky grapes" - hilarious!  ;D
 
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Re: Quality of Garden Plants
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2011, 02:51:45 PM »
All plants and fruits are rated on a percent variable, the actual value is hidden in the background and the game instead displays a generalized quality level(normal, nice, etc...) based on this percent.  This can cause what appears to be a discrepancy when planting fruits/seeds as a seed sitting near the top end of a range is much more likely to be bumped up a level then one sitting near the bottom end.  On top of this the ranges do not all seem to be of even size which can cause additional unevenness.  I am not sure this entirely explains what you are seeing, but it likely is at least a part of it.

This is exactly what I've noticed when it comes to planting...and any time I build a house, someone is a gardener at some point.

When it comes to produce that is "Great," there is a range of Greatness.  Some produce will barely be Great, while others will be astoundingly Great, and a whole range of different levels of Great in between.  As players we don't see this...all we can tell is that the fruit or vegetable is simply "Great."

I'm going to use some arbitrary numbers to illustrate this.  I'm going to assume that the scale is 1-10, and that the growth of the fruit itself boosts quality by 3 and the planter's Gardening skill boosts quality by 3.  These are not exact numbers, and I only use this scale for simplicity's sake.

Plant 1 is Great, and is at 5 on this scale.  Growing boosts the quality by 3, so this Great plant produces Great produce that is 8 on this scale.  Replanting the produce boosts this by 3, making it 11 on the scale, which makes the resulting plant Outstanding at 1 on the scale.

Plant 2 is also Great, but it is at 3 on this scale.  Growing boosts the quality by 3, producing Great produce that is at 6 on this scale.  Replanting boosts by 3, only elevating the quality to 9, so the resulting plant is still Great.  But as this plant grows fruit, it boosts a further 3, making it a 12 on a scale of 1-10, which pushes the produce into the Outstanding category (at 2 on the scale).

Plant 3 is Great as well, but it's at 1 on the scale.  Growing boosts quality by 3, resulting is Great produce that is 4 on the scale.  Replanting boosts another 3, resulting in a Great plant that is 7 on the scale.  However, since growth boosts by 3, the resulting produce of this plant is also Great...but is at 10 on this scale.  Planting this produce will result in an Outstanding plant.

It is worth noting that these are nowhere close to exact numbers, and I don't know what the exact numbers are.  Also, the real scale is affected by a huge number of factors.  The scale gets higher as the quality goes up, as it's easy to get very nice produce from a normal plant, while you're more likely to get the same quality of produce from plants of higher quality.  Also, the type of seed determines the scale:  Common seeds have a very small scale, while Special seeds have a rather large scale.  Fertilizer also seems to play a role, as does the age of the plant (you're more likely to get higher quality produce from a plant that's been harvested a couple of times).  And this is also a sliding scale, as it's entirely possible to get different qualities of produce from a single plant.

Did any of that make sense?
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Re: Quality of Garden Plants
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2011, 03:43:20 PM »
The percentage rating makes a lot of sense.  I always use outstanding produce as seed and I recently noticed that when I put in a planting of 10 outstanding watermelon, the first four that I planted all went to perfect and the last six stayed outstanding.

This would also explain why some fruits occasionally produce plants 2 levels higher and vice versa.

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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2011, 04:26:58 PM »
Exactly.  While stacked, produce will be listed from highest quality to lowest and will be used in that order.  So when you use a fruit/vegetable for anything (planting, cooking or eating it raw), it will start with the higher quality items and work it's way down.  Despite the fact that they were all outstanding, the first 4 were more outstanding (i.e. higher on their scale) than the other 6.

What will likely happen is that the first few of the 6 outstanding plants will produce perfect produce, while the rest will produce outstanding produce...but if you replant those outstanding watermelons, many (if not all) will result in perfect plants.

And actually, doing this is exactly how I came to my conclusion.  ;)
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Re: Quality of Garden Plants
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2011, 11:26:05 PM »
Plant and fruit qualities vary on whether you're a green thumb and with the super green thumb trait.  Green thumb gives a random chance of a seed or fruit planted generating a higher quality plant, while super green thumb gives a random chance of fruit growing on a plant being higher quality.  I often find after harvesting nice quality fruit that when they're planted they'll be either great or excellent quality, rarely I'll get outstanding.  The fruit grown on these will range from great to perfect, the chances of better quality can also be improved by talking to the plants if you're a green thumb sim.

You can still get a slightly higher variety without those traits, but the random chances are much much lower without them.