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Re: Making Money in 2020: 20 Days, 20 Ways
« Reply #75 on: January 28, 2020, 08:05:27 AM »

So you actually planted dragon fruits on more than one day?

Yes. I asked about that and was told that it is fine as long as I harvest and sell in the same day.

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All produce before day 20 were used to plant or fertilize.

I am a bit lost. So, did you gather dragonfruits from your first dragonfruit plants, plant them, then wait for new produce, gather and plant until day 20 when you harvested one final time and this time sold them?
Isn't it the same as what I did?
This rule is really confusing :(

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Re: Making Money in 2020: 20 Days, 20 Ways
« Reply #76 on: January 28, 2020, 08:30:01 AM »

So you actually planted dragon fruits on more than one day?

Yes. I asked about that and was told that it is fine as long as I harvest and sell in the same day.

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All produce before day 20 were used to plant or fertilize.

I am a bit lost. So, did you gather dragonfruits from your first dragonfruit plants, plant them, then wait for new produce, gather and plant until day 20 when you harvested one final time and this time sold them?
Isn't it the same as what I did?
This rule is really confusing :(

I've tried contacting Glazey in Discord, but she is unavailable at the moment. Hopefully she can come in and make a final decision. This needs to be addressed asap.



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Re: Making Money in 2020: 20 Days, 20 Ways
« Reply #77 on: January 28, 2020, 08:40:25 AM »

I am a bit lost. So, did you gather dragonfruits from your first dragonfruit plants, plant them, then wait for new produce, gather and plant until day 20 when you harvested one final time and this time sold them?
Isn't it the same as what I did?
This rule is really confusing :(

I am confused too. The only difference may be that the dragon fruits were not put in the family inventory? Anyway, I will be waiting for the ruling :)

Here is the message I PM to the team:

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- Regarding 'Items you make or collect to sell must be made/collected and sold on the same 1 day, and that is the only day you can do that activity.', what about plant? Can my sim plant in advance and just harvest on the day? Just to be completely sure, can the club members help take care of said plants?

The answer was
Yes, gardening is a collection of activities - harvesting is the activity that makes money, so harvesting is the thing that can only be done for one day.  The exception to this is that if you are selling flower arrangements as a way to make money, then harvesting is not the money-making activity (flower arranging is); in that case, you can harvest flowers for flower arranging anytime, but only make flower arrangements and sell them on one day. Club members can help take care of the garden.

Oh.. reading that again, may be I misunderstood the message. I though I only sold the fruits that were harvested on the day so it is fine. Anyway, I am fine with whatever the team decide :) Thanks!

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Re: Making Money in 2020: 20 Days, 20 Ways
« Reply #78 on: January 28, 2020, 08:49:26 AM »
Sorry guys. I think I should be indeed DNF. Because I somehow missed the rule on 'that is the only day I can do the activity'. My sims did collect more than one day, for example. And based on this rule, planting and harvesting should be banned as well. However, regardless of what the team decide on planting, I am DNF based on other activities anyway. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I had lots of fun though :)

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Re: Making Money in 2020: 20 Days, 20 Ways
« Reply #79 on: January 28, 2020, 10:24:50 AM »
I thought that gardening could not be a way to earn money in this challenge,because you plant one day,and you harvest another day.
So I eliminated it from my list of possible ways to make money. Was I wrong?

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Re: Making Money in 2020: 20 Days, 20 Ways
« Reply #80 on: January 28, 2020, 10:27:41 AM »
Sorry for the delay - early meetings at work today. Gardening was definitely the most complicated aspect of this challenge.  But, yes, harvesting could only be done on one day, with that one exception of harvesting flowers to use in flower arrangements.

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Re: Making Money in 2020: 20 Days, 20 Ways
« Reply #81 on: January 28, 2020, 10:31:41 AM »
I thought that gardening could not be a way to earn money in this challenge,because you plant one day,and you harvest another day.
So I eliminated it from my list of possible ways to make money. Was I wrong?
Other gardening activities were allowed anytime, but harvesting could only be done on one day.



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Re: Making Money in 2020: 20 Days, 20 Ways
« Reply #82 on: January 28, 2020, 10:44:29 AM »
I thought that gardening could not be a way to earn money in this challenge,because you plant one day,and you harvest another day.
So I eliminated it from my list of possible ways to make money. Was I wrong?
I also eliminated this as a possibility for the same reason.
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Re: Making Money in 2020: 20 Days, 20 Ways
« Reply #83 on: January 28, 2020, 11:45:59 AM »
I thought that gardening could not be a way to earn money in this challenge,because you plant one day,and you harvest another day.
So I eliminated it from my list of possible ways to make money. Was I wrong?
I also eliminated this as a possibility for the same reason.

This challenge was definitely a learning experience for the noobie on the challenge team  :).  And gardening provided the most . . . . opportunities to learn. There is so much involved in it with multiple ways to make money from it. The idea was to treat each individual way to make money as a separate thing, so selling produce had to be separated from flower arranging, which meant 'gardening' couldn't be the activity - it had to be broken down into more discreet separate activities. We didn't want to ban gardening because so many people like it, because it is a money- maker, and because bans are usually used to prevent an unfair advantage that only some people would have.

But the nature of gardening isn't very compatible with a "do it for one day" challenge, so hindsight says we should have thought more about that. Possibly it should have been banned even though there was no unfair advantage but just because it was complicated to explain/ understand.  Or maybe we should have added more clarity in the rules about gardening and not worried about that influencing strategy.

But I also think it was the confusion around gardening that really showed us we should keep the threads open for shared questions. And I am glad we had a situation that clearly showed that early in the year.

One thing I should probably say here is that I am in the IT field and have been for many years.  Decades, actually. We work in two-week time periods called sprints and at the end of every sprint we have a "Retrospective" where we try to (very objectively and without judgment) consider what went well, what didn't go so well and what we can do better next time. I've been doing these retros for so long now that they've become a part of everything I do. So consider this post my personal first-challenge retro.  Please feel free to respond with your thoughts, I just ask that you be honest and that you honor the "objective and without judgment" aspect that is required for retros to be effective.

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Re: Making Money in 2020: 20 Days, 20 Ways
« Reply #84 on: January 28, 2020, 12:02:19 PM »
Thank you, Glazey. I'll change the leaderboard.

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Re: Making Money in 2020: 20 Days, 20 Ways
« Reply #85 on: January 28, 2020, 12:12:00 PM »
I am well acquainted with sprints and retros (I am accountant for an IT company).  I think they are great tools for finding ways to improve the processes.

I would say that figuring out about keeping the threads open for shared questions is probably the best thing we learned.  Especially as it was the first challenge of the season. 

My suggestion coming out of this would be to include more examples, as you said, more clarity, to the rules and restrictions going forward.  I believe a lot of what happened here was trying to decipher what was meant, and seeing other player's questions can sometimes point out the areas where we think we understand, but we actually don't.  As per the gardening.  My interpretation was it couldn't be done because planting was required to get to harvesting, and that would take more than 24 hours.  I also didn't realize the yard sale table could be used to sell what we made or collected.  I was thinking everything I made would be on different days, and would have to be sold the same day it was made.  And using the yard sale table would be considered one activity, so it could only be used once.  (These are just examples - I didn't even think about asking, because my thoughts seemed to make sense at the time).

Even if providing clarity and answering shared questions provide ideas about strategy, in the end I think it comes down to how well each player executes.  Even if I knew everything exactly the top players were doing, I doubt I would ever execute as well as they do.  It is just how I play, and I accept that.

All that being said, I learn so much from these challenges, especially ways to approach the game along with tips and tricks to work into my challenges and legacies.  (Like photography being a good way to bring in extra money without having to buy a skills object, and it is a fast way to make friends.  And the digital sketchpad, which I love already, but didn't realize how much I should be loving it.)

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Re: Making Money in 2020: 20 Days, 20 Ways
« Reply #86 on: January 28, 2020, 12:31:56 PM »
Even if providing clarity and answering shared questions provide ideas about strategy, in the end I think it comes down to how well each player executes.  Even if I knew everything exactly the top players were doing, I doubt I would ever execute as well as they do.  It is just how I play, and I accept that.

Very well said. A lot of you know that I also spend a great deal of time playing Diablo III. One of my clanmates is a great Demon Hunter player. I hate that class. She could give me her account information, so I could play her exact toon, but I would never in a million years be able to execute like she can. She on the other hand just cannot play Barbarians like I can.

The team did learn a lot from this first challenge and we all have eyes wide open moving forward. Thanks for the feedback, everyone.

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Re: Making Money in 2020: 20 Days, 20 Ways
« Reply #87 on: January 28, 2020, 12:34:13 PM »
If I'm honest there was a few things I didn't quite understand especially with regards to what counted as different activities especially with collecting.  But I felt like I was being annoying messaging the team for clarification and there was a little bit of I should know how to do this I used to be on the challenge team feel too. 

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Re: Making Money in 2020: 20 Days, 20 Ways
« Reply #88 on: January 28, 2020, 12:42:28 PM »
...and there was a little bit of I should know how to do this...

Rachel

I snipped just that part of what you said because it really hit home for me, Rachel. The game has really become so complicated over the years, it's hard to keep up.

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Re: Making Money in 2020: 20 Days, 20 Ways
« Reply #89 on: January 28, 2020, 04:31:51 PM »
I decided to stay away from gardening because I could see it being painful. I did consider running around, finding plants and just harvesting things and selling the things harvested that day, but decided I'd much rather spend the day baking with the cupcake maker (and discovered the issue that you couldn't sell the produce from inventory)

I'd read that photography didn't make much money in Sims 4 but it seems to make a lot of money from scores posted,