Is there a crying bug?

[RunAmokSims]

I just thought I would ask if anyone knows if there is a crying in the closet bug.  I made a Sim, no sad or gloomy traits, moved him into Windenburg and then sent him off to a bar to meet the locals.

It was nice because there were more than just a few Sims in the bar but there was a problem.  At some point almost every Sim in the bar ended up in the closet crying. I didn't notice any fights or bad reactions between Sims to cause this.

It even happened at home. My Sim had four different ladies over, all of them rejected him, and at some point my Sim and each of the dates was in the closet crying. 

My Sim doesn't have any traits that would send him off to the closet. He's a hot headed kleptomaniac.

[Shewolf13]

The crying in the closet can happen from embarrassment and sadness, I believe.  I can't check in game since I'm at work, but if there were rejections, then going to closet can help alleviate them.  I haven't heard of this being a bug, so maybe it's that particular file? See about getting rid of the closet maybe?

[RunAmokSims]

The crying in the closet can happen from embarrassment and sadness, I believe.  I can't check in game since I'm at work, but if there were rejections, then going to closet can help alleviate them.  I haven't heard of this being a bug, so maybe it's that particular file? See about getting rid of the closet maybe?

I understand the emotions that would cause it to happen it just seems to be an obsession where just about every Sim in the place ends up in the closet. It reminds me of how TS3 Sims could get obsessed with a premium content item.

I also question the "brush off" that is going on. I've been around The Sims for enough years to know the steps to go through from introduction, through friendly to romantic and all four dates my Sim had gave him the brush off.

I had cleaned out all my saves, I have no mods or CC and I'm patched.  This is a brand new game.

I just don't think I should have to remove the closets from the town. This is one of the selling points of the EP and it would be nice to have it in the game.

[Shewolf13]

From what I understand, any negative emotion, even if it's buried beneath happy or flirty or a good emotion can make a Sim reject romantic advances.  And it was more a suggestion to see if it helped at all.

[RunAmokSims]

From what I understand, any negative emotion, even if it's buried beneath happy or flirty or a good emotion can make a Sim reject romantic advances.  And it was more a suggestion to see if it helped at all.

I understand you were trying to help and I apologize if it seemed I wasn't appreciative. It's just that I keep trying to like this game and when I run into something like this the suggestions I seem to get are to remove something, don't do something that will cause it to happen, get a mod or start a new game.  It makes it hard to try and enjoy it.

[grimsoul]

Just wondering if you have the Movie Hangout Stuff Pack. And were the sims watching a movie before they went to the closest to cry?
I've noticed that sometimes when sims watch certain movies they will cry while watching it and sometimes go to the closet and cry after it ends. I guess some movies make them a little sad and they need a good cry.

[Shewolf13]

From what I understand, any negative emotion, even if it's buried beneath happy or flirty or a good emotion can make a Sim reject romantic advances.  And it was more a suggestion to see if it helped at all.

I understand you were trying to help and I apologize if it seemed I wasn't appreciative. It's just that I keep trying to like this game and when I run into something like this the suggestions I seem to get are to remove something, don't do something that will cause it to happen, get a mod or start a new game.  It makes it hard to try and enjoy it.

Yeah, one of the things with the game is experimenting.  I notice that often, after a new patch or new content, there's always some kind of quirk.  Most aren't game breaking, but it can take a while to figure out how to stop it or counteract it.  And sometimes, the Sims stop on their own XD  other times not.  Grimsoul made a great suggestion.  I didn't even think about the movies since I have it, but haven't done much with it XD

[RunAmokSims]

Just wondering if you have the Movie Hangout Stuff Pack. And were the sims watching a movie before they went to the closest to cry?
I've noticed that sometimes when sims watch certain movies they will cry while watching it and sometimes go to the closet and cry after it ends. I guess some movies make them a little sad and they need a good cry.

No I have the two EPs, OR and Spa day.

I started a brand new game, no mods or CC.

I sent my newly created Sim off to a bar in Windenburg.  He was at the bar for about three Sim hours and at least 5 Sims ended up in the closet crying. I didn't notice any fights or obvious flirtations gone wrong but I guess they cold have happened when I wasn't looking.  I'm fairly certain that for a couple of them they weren't at the bar very long before they ended up in the closet.

The next day he started asking ladies that he had met in the bar over to his house. Not only did they all brush him off but both he and a couple of the gals ended up in the closet,  not together but separately to cry.

[Shewolf13]

How high was their relationship bars?  Both green and pink?  Sometimes that can have an effect as well.

[RunAmokSims]

How high was their relationship bars?  Both green and pink?  Sometimes that can have an effect as well.

Yes they were and the house also had flirty paintings, a flirty light and the romance channel on the TV.

[Shewolf13]

Hm... if there's an embarrassed moodlet or tense or uncomfortable, even buried under the good ones, it can have an effect.  Unfortunately, the only way to know is if you are controlling that Sim.

[Playalot]

Shewolf's point about a 'negative' emotion buried is probably the best idea. I've had a sim with a combination of  +16 positive moodlets and a +1 angry moodlet buried in the mix and even though I was controlling him he still rejected a proposal. Buried negative moodlets will cause a sim to reject nearly all romantic interactions, even romantic compliments and often flirts too.

About the sadness. Sims that you don't control will become sad from a lack of socialization and often when you load a lot if there are sims that you have seen walking around before in your game but haven't talked to them, they will load up sad. Usually a quick chat and admiring their outfit (which adds a 4 hour happy moodlet to the target sim) will perk them up. If they stay sad they will auto take care of their needs... which involves crying in a closet or a pep talk in a mirror.

I think sometimes it's easy to forget just how important the correct emotions are to certain elements of this game as other times it is easy to ignore them and for your sim to still live his/her life fairly well.

[RunAmokSims]

So in a bar full of Sims they would all probably have a buried emotion and four out of four Sims my Sim picked to date would also have a buried emotion?

I mean we are talking about a bar in a brand new game with about 10 Sims dancing and socializing and half of them go off to cry.

[Playalot]

Yep, well it seems pretty likely they all had the sad moodlet and depending what they were watching on TV as well. Most of the bars have TV so its worthwhile keeping an eye on what is on. I doubt if the sad sims had very many other positive moodlets so the sad emotion probably was the primary moodlet rather than a buried moodlet inititally. Another thing to keep in mind is that even though a sad sim might gain a stronger positive moodlet (from socialization) most sad moodlets last for 4 hours so trying to become romantic with a sim with a sad moodlet most probably won't work.

It's difficult to say exactly what was going on exactly from what you have described but I have made the best guess I am able to with the information you have posted. I can sense your frustration but at the end of the day all we can do is offer you suggestions from the information you have posted. Sorry we don't seem to be posting what you would like to hear but from my experience of the game what I have posted seems the most likely scenario.

You asked if there was a crying bug, there isn't. What you most probably are seeing in your game is the emotional system left to run on auto with no player directed input via your sim. Like I said above, sad sims will do what they can to alleviate their sadness and if a closet is closer than a mirror etc then they will use that. I offered a few ways that I use to cheer up townies so that I don't see sad sims crying and moping around so the scenario is able to be changed depending on the players input.

[RunAmokSims]

Yep, well it seems pretty likely they all had the sad moodlet and depending what they were watching on TV as well. Most of the bars have TV so its worthwhile keeping an eye on what is on. I doubt if the sad sims had very many other positive moodlets so the sad emotion probably was the primary moodlet rather than a buried moodlet inititally. Another thing to keep in mind is that even though a sad sim might gain a stronger positive moodlet (from socialization) most sad moodlets last for 4 hours so trying to become romantic with a sim with a sad moodlet most probably won't work.

It's difficult to say exactly what was going on exactly from what you have described but I have made the best guess I am able to with the information you have posted. I can sense your frustration but at the end of the day all we can do is offer you suggestions from the information you have posted. Sorry we don't seem to be posting what you would like to hear but from my experience of the game what I have posted seems the most likely scenario.

You asked if there was a crying bug, there isn't. What you most probably are seeing in your game is the emotional system left to run on auto with no player directed input via your sim. Like I said above, sad sims will do what they can to alleviate their sadness and if a closet is closer than a mirror etc then they will use that. I offered a few ways that I use to cheer up townies so that I don't see sad sims crying and moping around so the scenario is able to be changed depending on the players input.

Sorry I don't mean to sound like I don't believe what has been said but I just find all this completely frustrating and while I'm trying again to get into the game it's not doing a thing to endear itself to me.  I'm more convinced than ever that emotions aren't working the way I believed them to be in all the information I read before release.