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Do you cheat or not?

Yes, I always do it.
35 (11.4%)
Yes, I sometimes do it.
77 (25.2%)
It depends.
112 (36.6%)
No, I hardly ever do it.
59 (19.3%)
No, I NEVER cheat.
23 (7.5%)

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Re: Play Style: Cheats or no Cheats?
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2010, 09:38:07 PM »
Esther, I'm sorry if my post made you feel bad.  :'( That was so not my intention. It was completely supposed to be my view, not any sort of judgement. Never feel bad for how *you* enjoy the Sims.

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Re: Play Style: Cheats or no Cheats?
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2010, 09:48:00 PM »
Esther, I'm sorry if my post made you feel bad.  :'( That was so not my intention. It was completely supposed to be my view, not any sort of judgement. Never feel bad for how *you* enjoy the Sims.
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Re: Play Style: Cheats or no Cheats?
« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2010, 05:58:47 AM »
I'm struggling with this decision now. I started a legacy and put tons of time into the first generation, following rules, but using travel to extend the lifespan and accomplish more skilling and wealth. The first gen had enough happiness to buy the Teleporter and Moodlet Manager, and since getting those I'm finding it practically impossible to resist using testingcheats for teleporting and mood manipulation, even on gen 2, since it's essentially the same as using the LTRs, only more convenient.

To make matters worse, my gen 2 child got mostly garbage traits (clumsy, heavy sleeper) that kept her from being an interesting sim, so I made up a rule for myself about changing one trait, and you can guess what that led to.

I need to decide where to draw the line before gen 3 gets born, or else I'll be managing toddler moods, changing traits again and again, then give up on my family because I meddled with it, despite truly working up from poverty without cheats.

I'm already thinking of them as my "generational game" rather than "legacy", but it's a slippery slope leading to no more fun.

I'm wondering what kinds of "fudging" other people do in generational games when they decide to deviate from the rules.
I've tried to play by the rules legacy. And I hated it. I love story telling, and the roll traits rule really ruined that. Now I'm playing a legacy, by the rules again, but I choose the traits. I also have added 2 more rules. No moving sims out, and no Moodlet Manager ( ;)). It's way more fun for me. ;D
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Re: Play Style: Cheats or no Cheats?
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2010, 06:25:51 AM »
I've tried to play by the rules legacy. And I hated it. I love story telling, and the roll traits rule really ruined that. Now I'm playing a legacy, by the rules again, but I choose the traits. I also have added 2 more rules. No moving sims out, and no Moodlet Manager ( ;)). It's way more fun for me. ;D

Have you looked at our new Immortal Dynasty Challenge?  It lets you choose traits and you aren't allowed to move anyone out.  It's not easy, though, because it has all kinds of things you have to do before you can make your Sims immortal.
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Re: Play Style: Cheats or no Cheats?
« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2010, 09:35:41 PM »
Of course I've heard Pam! ;) Love the Dreamweavers too. I might try the Dynasty challange, but I really love my current  (revised) Legacy, plus I'm working on a challange I made myself (Check it out in Proposed Challenges ), and I'm putting the last bits on your Vacation Home, Pam. But I've never done much fishing and gardening, so it could be fun :)
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Re: Play Style: Cheats or no Cheats?
« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2010, 04:35:11 AM »
OK all, I need to change my earlier post.   :o
As of today I am now using 'testingcheatsenabled true' at the main menu.  I thought I would try it just once after reading what everyone says about it.  Now I am spoiled and all I did was teleport my Sims a few times while on a vacation and kept their needs toward full for one Sim week. 
And to think, all of this time I knew this cheat existed but never used it.  Sure does makes the game easier to play on a shorter life-span!  ;D
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Re: Play Style: Cheats or no Cheats?
« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2010, 11:29:29 AM »
I'm currently not playing with any cheats.



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Re: Play Style: Cheats or no Cheats?
« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2010, 03:44:39 PM »
OK all, I need to change my earlier post.   :o
As of today I am now using 'testingcheatsenabled true' at the main menu.  I thought I would try it just once after reading what everyone says about it.  Now I am spoiled and all I did was teleport my Sims a few times while on a vacation and kept their needs toward full for one Sim week.  
And to think, all of this time I knew this cheat existed but never used it.  Sure does makes the game easier to play on a shorter life-span!  ;D
Yay! Aren't the cheats amazing? I can remember before I found them, I didn't like the game as much as I do now!  ;D

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Re: Play Style: Cheats or no Cheats?
« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2010, 10:35:44 PM »
Yay! Aren't the cheats amazing? I can remember before I found them, I didn't like the game as much as I do now!  ;D

Yeppers - they are amazing.  I just created a new family to check on some of the other cheats.  Was I ever missing the fun.  I can now get skills learned quickly and really advance my Simmies.   Thanks for convincing me Esther!  ;D
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Re: Play Style: Cheats or no Cheats?
« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2010, 12:04:35 AM »
Yeppers - they are amazing.  I just created a new family to check on some of the other cheats.  Was I ever missing the fun.  I can now get skills learned quickly and really advance my Simmies.   Thanks for convincing me Esther!  ;D
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Re: Play Style: Cheats or no Cheats?
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2010, 12:35:34 AM »
I used to use cheats for money, but I found that it made the game a bit boring.
I only use the cheat to age my sims up, and I usually only use that when the message comes up telling me that they'll age up in a few days.
I sometimes (very rarely, though) use the 'make friends for me' cheat.

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Re: Play Style: Cheats or no Cheats?
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2010, 12:54:14 AM »
The only time I cheat is to teleport my Sims around. I used to cheat a lot but I found it made it game boring and well, kinda hollow because if you have everything you want then what is there to strive for?

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Re: Play Style: Cheats or no Cheats?
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2010, 12:08:24 PM »
I also "sometimes cheat" - like others, it depends on what I'm going for... I didn't even know how about "Make Needs Static" until a few months ago and it was perfect for my Indiana Jones Sim and made him a lot more fun to play.  Now that's the only cheat I ever use (besides the building cheats of course :P ). It's Amazing what you can accomplish with a Sim when you don't have take care of their basic Needs anymore!  ;D  My Jones Legacy (with the static cheat) is looking a lot better than my Virtue Dynasty (no cheats) right now, but obviously my Virtue Dynasty will have much better Values at the end of the day.  8)
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Re: Play Style: Cheats or no Cheats?
« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2010, 06:11:37 PM »
I can't say I never cheat because sometimes if I'm not playing a challenge game, I'll use the transporter cheat and maybe raise their needs.  It's almost always while traveling and especially when collecting gems and metals because it takes so long to run all the way across the country with no roads!  That's about it for me.  I like to get things the old fashioned way...  I earn it!  ;D

I agree with you about that, Pam. It's really hard for me to not cheat on one account - max needs. MaxMotives was my sin in Sims 2 because it got everyone's needs(even visitor's) up to 100% so I could easily socialize, romance, and so on. I also used the sliders(click-drag on the need) on toddlers to get their bladder to yellow so they would be easily potty-trained. I still do that as potty-training is impossible for me to do and having to constantly interrupt the adults to have them take the tot before he soils himself and gets stinky so he can learn to go on the potty was a pain. The fact that you are punished if you do not teach all three skills to toddlers before you grow them up(you can't choose the trait) ticks me off.

Sorry for that ugly rant. Anyways, I still max needs, even when I shouldn't, and now that there is no Energizer like in Sims 2(that was an aspiration reward back then) and Meditation no longer freezes needs, it's harder to avoid temptation. Of course, once a teen/adult/elder gets all the LTR that reduce or stop the decay of needs(Steel Bladder, I love you), I tend to back off a bit since the Sims don't need to eat or sleep as much.

Anyways, money cheats are only for emergencies - I admit to using kaching and motherlode at the beginning of my LTW legacy because I was impatient and didn't let the founders work out their money differences before having a baby - and I use the teleport cheat only if someone's stuck or trapped(like the second babysitter of the Glenns - I deleted the flower garden after that, stupid walls!) or if I need someone to get somewhere NOW before it's too late. (I used it a bit in my Immortal Dynasty because they're ninjas and I recall the cool ninja teleport from Sims 2 Bon Voyage, shame that the only substitute is Zeneport which is just a rehash of the Sims 2 meditation teleport.)

I also only use buy/build on lot cheats if there is a glitch preventing me from doing something, like in the Temple of Heaven there's a glitch that sometimes makes a statue turn intangible and the Sim can't get to the other statue, so I have to sledgehammer the door it locked to continue.  >:(

I use the relationship sliders only rarely, and only enough to get the other Sim to come over for an invite. Once my Sims get Supre Friendly, they make friends easily and never lose them. Other than that, I avoid other cheats. If I was really a cheater, I'd use Make Friends for Me and Make Needs Static.  ;D
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Re: Play Style: Cheats or no Cheats?
« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2010, 08:53:34 PM »
I think an important distinction is getting drawn here, that there's a functional difference between using a 'cheat code' and 'cheating at a competition'. 

The first is sometimes the only way to save a game, or perhaps to test something about the game, or achieve a specific effect for your software toy.

The second meaning is 'breaking the rules'... in this context, the rules of a contest.

To me, this question implies the first meaning entirely, since the other question is moot for most people, either they will or they won't, that's a moral values thing that they have or they don't.

For Sims 2, I would use cheats all the time after awhile, mostly money cheats, because I like to build and I didn't want to play through the hard grind of getting the sims up to that point.

For Sims 3... I think I've done it a couple of times, again, mostly in the context of testing, or building, and all for what is essentially 'solo' play.  For challenges though, don't break a rule, don't even fudge it... It's a slippery slope to think to yourself... "Aw, what can it hurt if I give this Sim a Mid Life Crisis, after they achieve immortality" (I use this for instance because it *did* occur to me that an Simmortal might not be ambitious after they've achieved immortality in the Dynasty Challenge and I was tempted.  I didn't because, like in Time Bandits: Evil always starts small.)  The thing it hurts is your integrity.  That's something that erodes incrementally over time, and is mostly invisible to your thought process... "What can it hurt?"  "It hurts your sense of right and wrong, is what it hurts."

Mostly though it's so easy to make a ton of money with *any* Sim now, the only reason I'd use cheat codes is to fix a broken or potentially broken game, for building purposes, or for testing things.  I find it's a lot more fun when you challenge yourself, succeed or fail.

And, I did make a deal with the Devil, to be sure.  I promised myself that all those thoughts of cheating and breaking of rules that I *want* for my Dynasty don't happen until it's *over* and *finished*.  Then all those little Simmortals are getting the mid-life crisis they want, and they'll all get set to the age I prefer them at... And since the Challenge will be over, it won't matter how I play with them, since I won't have broken any rules before hand.  I won't bother you with pics or stories, either, since it's beyond the scope of the set-up, but I will have fun with it.  Assuming I *do* finish the dynasty, which I will, since it's pretty open ended.

Anyhow, I don't judge other people on how they play their Sims, either, so cheat or don't cheat, it's up to you, as it is *your* toy. (If someone cheats in a contest here, who's going to know?  Only the cheater).  Sorry about the length of my reply, but it's food for thought.