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Downloadable App to Help Game Run better
« on: May 25, 2013, 10:43:03 AM »
So, I have good news!

After a bit more reading, I found that the Sims 3 only uses about 2 GB of ram.
I didn't realize how huge of a difference 4 GB vs. 2 GB is, but I downloaded this app that was suggested to me. Basically, all you do is open up the app, select the SIMS3W.exe file and that's it! You can now play the Sims 3 using 4 GB of ram.

Game runs quite smooth now, loads areas MUCH faster and the gameplay feels fluid again. This is WITH all my cc installed, by the way. There's a few minor lags when panning across town, but nothing nearly as consistent as before. You guys have no idea how relieved I am. For a second, I thought I was going to have to cancel my pre order for Island Paradise.

I'm very confident that if you are still having problems even after doing all the things I listed here that this small, yet elegant, app will work for you if you are STILL having lag issues even after trying everything.  ;D

http://www.ntcore.com/4gb_patch.php

This app is not from EA. Use at your own risk!!

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Re: Downloadable App to Help Game Run better
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2013, 05:47:39 AM »
SWEET!

Runs much better now.  Not... perfectly.  But noticeably much more fluid. 
Ultimately I think I agree that nothing but a rewrite of the code to take advantage of better systems, or running with fewer expansions, will save it. 

I have a bloated game (long family history) and every expansion pack, barring the stuffs packs.

My 2008 laptop used to play sims3 smoothly; now my 2012-era desktop left it lacking.
Or maybe my standards are just higher now.  Let's face it-- a first person shooter might require cutting edge graphics, but it has nothing of the inventory management that sims3 has to do.  I'm spoiled by the rapid load times of any rpg or shooter.
The only time far cry 3 ever had a hickup on my machine, was opening a full backpack and trying to sell 80 items at once.  My sims matriarch has 5000 life fruits and 2500 bottles of nectar in her inventory, each uniquely identified.

Yeah-- I did fresh installs.  Built a new system recently and reinstalled everything.
Yeah-- I tried the 4gb thing, at least before.  As I read somewhere --and someone, please chime in if you know for certain-- since late night, sims3 takes advantage of 4gb ram anyway and this is a moot point.  Although I just checked; and right now (paused) it's only taking 1.7gb.  Maybe I should double check that I DO have the patch...
Yeah-- I've got the processor, the ram, and the graphics card.

The processor never goes past 40% on any single core (3.8ghz-- 4.2 overclocked).  Quad core.  So don't waste your money on a cutting edge processor; a $100 2nd hand i7 920 will do more than fine.
The ram never goes past 40%  either (16gb; most of that is for windows itself and tabs on google chrome.  sims3 isn't the only thing running)  So if you have 8gb and don't have 30 chrome tabs open, spending money on ram isn't going to help.
The graphics card never gets hot.  FPS doesn't lose speed-- the GAME does.  That is to say, snow, rain, flapping wings, all those run smoothly on ultra and 60fps.  And the characters will do a stop motion thing.  I have a 7950 now; but I get the impression that it's not necessary and isn't what's holding back my performance. 


Today I bought a SECOND solid state drive, and set both of them up in a raid 0 array for theoretically twice the read/write speeds.  They're hooked up to sata3 ports fwiw--but that might not be a limitation.  Sata 3 is capable of twice the sequential data transfer rate, but sims3 probably has more to do with random read/write and seek times.  Sims3 probably does not actually need to transfer >3gb/s at all, so don't rush out to get a sata3 compatible motherboard.
I also have all game files installed onto the solid state drives (not onto a separate disk drive).  The theory being that it's managing all the little reads and writes that slows the game down, especially with a bloated game like mine.
I noticed that anything at all to do with inventory froze it solid.  God help my game if I wanted to add an item to carter's display case, for example; or take everything out of the fridge.  Seriously, 10,000 veggies in the fridge is a game breaking liability.

I timed it, and sims3 starts in 2 minutes.  My bloated game loads in under 3 minutes.  And while I'd be lying if I said it was silky smooth, the chronic stuttering Every Other Action has become more occasional hiccups.  I was running it on one solid state drive before-- now it's on two solid state drives in raid.  It might be that having less data per drive also helps (I had a 128gb drive until a few months ago-- when there was 8gb free space left, it slowed to a crawl.  free space is critical for realizing the advertised speeds).

If you're on a disk drive, that surely hurts a great deal.

Now, I just spent a total of $300 on 2 solid state drives.  That's a lot just to make sims3 tolerable with all the expansions.  So I don't know... but it does also boot ms word in in less than a second!

And it really seems to help!

All in all I've got $1500 in my computer.  Some parts I bought 2nd hand.  Every part was bought online, usually on some kind of sale-- don't buy a single component at best buy! :(
But it isn't all necessary (the processor, the ram, the video card are not being used to their limitations).
It seems that maybe a pair of solid state drives (samsung 840 non-pro, sandisk extreme, or the older samsung 830 are good values) in raid 0 might be the best $300-$320 ever spent.



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Re: Downloadable App to Help Game Run better
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2013, 06:14:02 AM »
reading about it, it looks like there are decreasing returns with more than 2 ssds in raid 0-- and at 4 ssds you then need to lay down another small fortune for a proper raid controller card.
so 2 ssds using the on-board intel raid controller is the best value.  not that I can afford 4 ssds anyway!

I'll report again after I've played the game for a real length of time with the 2 drives.  It might be that my current immediate enthusiasm wears off.  But so far I'm impressed; it's done more than a graphics or cpu upgrade ever did.

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Re: Downloadable App to Help Game Run better
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2013, 11:53:37 PM »
This app is awesome. I did a test and hit the 2gb memory cap, then rebooted my PC and ran the file. TS3W went past using 2gb and used 2.4gb instead. I only have 4gb on my system, and this makes me wish I had much more because you would get the best results with over 4gb of free memory on your PC. Mine only has 2.7gb available for use by my applications. When I get 8gb of RAM next month, this will make a massive difference in my gameplay. Naturally, I tested with Union Cove and was very happy with the improved smooth feel when flying over the town.

If this inspires anyone to go get more RAM, be sure to spend a little more on something that is fast - it will boost your load times significantly.

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Re: Downloadable App to Help Game Run better
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2013, 02:14:34 AM »
hey-- is there something I'm missing about that app?

I used it and applied it to the main sims3 executable, and then, to the main exe for each expansion pack.

My game still only uses 1.5gb ram.

Did I do it wrong?  How did you conduct your test?
I simply have sims running, and am looking under task manager

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Re: Downloadable App to Help Game Run better
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2013, 08:24:18 AM »
This app is awesome. I did a test and hit the 2gb memory cap, then rebooted my PC and ran the file. TS3W went past using 2gb and used 2.4gb instead. I only have 4gb on my system, and this makes me wish I had much more because you would get the best results with over 4gb of free memory on your PC. Mine only has 2.7gb available for use by my applications. When I get 8gb of RAM next month, this will make a massive difference in my gameplay. Naturally, I tested with Union Cove and was very happy with the improved smooth feel when flying over the town.

If this inspires anyone to go get more RAM, be sure to spend a little more on something that is fast - it will boost your load times significantly.

I'm glad you like it :D

Now I just need to find something that will bump up the ram limit even more. I'm sitting with 16 gb of ram right now. I've got plenty to go around.  :P


hey-- is there something I'm missing about that app?

I used it and applied it to the main sims3 executable, and then, to the main exe for each expansion pack.

My game still only uses 1.5gb ram.

Did I do it wrong?  How did you conduct your test?
I simply have sims running, and am looking under task manager

How much RAM do you have? As Carl mentioned, if you have 4 FB of ram, 2 GB is used for games, music, media and the other 2 GB are for your system operations.

And I'm sure there's a couple of different apps you can use to check, but the results are in the gameplay. Literally as soon as I ran the patch and loaded the game, it became playable.

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Re: Downloadable App to Help Game Run better
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2013, 02:45:30 PM »
16gb.
gameplay is the same-- but maybe EA's own patches already made 4gb available?
Regardless, task manager says it's still only using 1.5gb, and it's still not running perfectly smoothly, although the hard drive helped a lot.



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Re: Downloadable App to Help Game Run better
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2013, 08:23:03 PM »
16gb.
gameplay is the same-- but maybe EA's own patches already made 4gb available?
Regardless, task manager says it's still only using 1.5gb, and it's still not running perfectly smoothly, although the hard drive helped a lot.

Hmm. Do you have windows 7 32 bit, 64 bit, or 86 bit?

I think the app is only compatible with 86 bit, if I'm not mistaken

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Re: Downloadable App to Help Game Run better
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2013, 09:00:14 PM »
"x86 is the technical name for a 32bit operating system. There is no 86bit."

you mean that app only works if I downgrade to windows 7 32bit? ('86')?
There's no way I'm going to have everything else that runs great on 64bit, run poorly, by going back to 32bit... 

is that true, and if so, is there a different large address aware app that works for windows 7 64 bit?   
I found 2 apps; they both seem to work... but the game still does not use much memory.  And I'd like it to use more, if it could help at all with running smoother.

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Re: Downloadable App to Help Game Run better
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2013, 02:48:29 AM »
"x86 is the technical name for a 32bit operating system. There is no 86bit."

you mean that app only works if I downgrade to windows 7 32bit? ('86')?
There's no way I'm going to have everything else that runs great on 64bit, run poorly, by going back to 32bit... 

is that true, and if so, is there a different large address aware app that works for windows 7 64 bit?   
I found 2 apps; they both seem to work... but the game still does not use much memory.  And I'd like it to use more, if it could help at all with running smoother.

I did a bit more reading And it seems that you can change the amount of RAM the game uses manually through the Sims 3 ini file. You can find the Sims 3 ini file in the GAME folder, not the documents folder. here's a couple images just to show you.






So as you can see, I changed mine to use 10 GB of ram. Those extra zeros are necessary. So for example, if you want to use 8 GB of ram, I'd put 80000000. 

I just gotta say, it runs nearly 100x better. Even loads faster. Takes barely 3 minutes to get from the first loading screen and into game. Before it took like 15-20 minutes at times. This is with all kinds of CC installed and all the settings at the highest settings too. So it is definitely working for me. Feels like a completely different game.

Let me know if this helps!

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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2013, 03:04:38 AM »
hmm well i did a bit more reading. And it seems that you can change the amount of RAM the game uses manually through the sims 3 ini file. You can find the sims 3 infi file is in the GAME folder, not the documents folder. here's a couple images just to show you.




so as you can see, i changed mine to use 10 GB of ram. those extra zeros are necessary. so for example, if you want to use 8 GB of ram, i'd put 80000000. 

I just gotta say, it runs nearly 100x better. even loads faster. takes barely 3 minutes to get from the first loading screen ingame. before it took like 15-20 minutes at times. This is with all kinds of CC installed and all the settings at the highest settings too. So it is definitely working for me. Feels like a completely different game.


let me know if this helps!

Did you back that file up?

@Anyone who does it manually, and I can't stress it enough, back it up! If your game turns out worse, sometimes restoring the original is the only option. :)

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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2013, 03:06:31 AM »
Did you back that file up?

@Anyone who does it manually, and I can't stress it enough, back it up! If your game turns out worse, sometimes restoring the original is the only option. :)

Do you mean to back up the entire game or just a file?
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Re: Downloadable App to Help Game Run better
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2013, 04:57:07 AM »
Did you back that file up?

@Anyone who does it manually, and I can't stress it enough, back it up! If your game turns out worse, sometimes restoring the original is the only option. :)


Yes I did. I've made a habit of testing things before getting my hopes up. It works wonderful! I'm playing it right now and it's running very smooth.

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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2013, 05:31:04 AM »
Do you mean to back up the entire game or just a file?

The file. :) Sorry for not being more clearer.

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Re: Downloadable App to Help Game Run better
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2013, 06:02:35 PM »
Hmm. Very very interesting. I will look into this, maybe I don't have to abandon the Sims 3, or my rainbow-legacy after all now that I have another option to try.

Thanks for posting this! :)