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Adding basement stairs in garage
« on: August 13, 2012, 05:00:00 PM »
If you have a house on a foundation, and have built a garage without the foundation, can you build stairs down to a basement under the garage? And then, extend the basement under the house?

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Re: Adding basement stairs in garage
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2012, 08:56:18 PM »
Hubby says yes. The basement can be any size.

*Edit* -- The garage isn't restricted due to the house's foundation.

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Adding basement stairs in garage
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2012, 05:51:21 PM »
Thank you! I'm going to try this on my next made from scratch build.

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Re: Adding basement stairs in garage
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2012, 06:05:32 PM »
I would advise working from the ground up.

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Re: Adding basement stairs in garage
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2012, 05:18:10 PM »
Me, I advise do a small basement area first, just big enough for the stairs is all you need, put in the stairs then build around them.
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Re: Adding basement stairs in garage
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2012, 01:13:34 PM »
Hubby says yes. The basement can be any size.

*Edit* -- The garage isn't restricted due to the house's foundation.

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You know you can put stairs through a foundation, right? Put in your basement, then go to the top of the foundation. Press and hold shift while trying to place the stairs. They should go straight through the foundation and down into the basement.
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Re: Adding basement stairs in garage
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2012, 08:58:17 PM »
You know you can put stairs through a foundation, right? Put in your basement, then go to the top of the foundation. Press and hold shift while trying to place the stairs. They should go straight through the foundation and down into the basement.

I'm having a problem with this. I tested it on a blank lot and just threw in a foundation, then a basement, then shift clicked in the stairs and it worked fine. Now I've started working on a victorian for the 40x40 lot at the end of Pinochle Point and since the roof of a victorian is so challenging I decided to tackle that first. I put in my foundation, then the basement, and then the walls and roof.

Then once I was ready to put the stairs into the basement in they wouldn't go. It gave me a "Modular stairs have no steps" error.

So I went back to another empty lot and again put in just the foundation then the basement and then shift clicked the stairs in and it worked fine again.

So then I hit undo to remove the stairs and put up four walls on the edges of the foundation enclosing a room and tried shift clicking the stairs in again and still they went in fine.

Then I hit undo again and put a roof on the room and tried again and sill he stairs went in fine.

Then  went back to my victorian in progress and still got the "Modular stairs have no steps" error.

So any one have any idea why it's not letting me shift-click my stairs through the foundation into the basement?
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Re: Adding basement stairs in garage
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2012, 12:35:41 AM »
Do you have a wall in the pathway of the steps? Allow an extra space (five instead of four) between the top of the stairs and the wall since it has to go through the foundation. I can't remember the exact error it gave me when I learned that, but I think it might have been that one.
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Re: Adding basement stairs in garage
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2012, 07:13:21 AM »
Actually no. Big open space 20x20 tiles with no walls except around the edge and I can't shift click stairs through the foundation anywhere in there.
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Re: Adding basement stairs in garage
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2012, 08:43:09 PM »
Are you putting the stairs on the edge of the foundation? Are you sure that the basement is wide enough? (It sounds like the basement is also 20X20, but I'm not going to assume that's the case.)

Since it works elsewhere, and if you answer no to both of those, I'm going to assume that it's a bug. Try moving the house to the library and placing it again?
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Re: Adding basement stairs in garage
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2012, 06:41:55 AM »
Interesting, I copied the build to the library and then bulldozed the lot and replaced it and that was no help, so then I went back to the empty lot where I had the successful test earlier and tried again there but this time I was getting the same error as on my build lot.

Solving this is important to me not for the sake of my current build but so we can spread the info about the cause and a fix or work around once found so that all builders can have stairs going right through the foundation with out requiring a landing at foundation level.

Ironically it's because building in Sims3 is so challenging that I enjoy it so much. I beating little challenges like this and bending the games stupid rules to my will. :)

Okay, next thing I did was turn off all cheats (assuming that maybe one or more of the cheats like moveObjects, constrainFloorElevation or testingcheatsenabled might be interfering) and then picked another empty lot for a test and was able to shift click stars through the foundation.

Then I went back to the first empty lot that I got a successful test on and tried again there with all the cheats turned off and suddenly I got the same error as on my build lot, even though I go to edit town mode and bulldoze the entire lot after each test (which should restore it to it's original state as an empty lot) so it seems that once this glitch happens it some how corrupts that lot permanently. Still no closer to finding the cause yet though.

Quitting and restarting the game didn't help. The corrupted lots remain corrupted.

hmmm, bulldozing the lot while moveObjects was on seems to have corrupted a lot.

After trying all sorts of tests trying to think of a way to un-glitch my lot I gave up and restarted the game and opened a new game file to start over from scratch on a fresh lot.

The first thing I did was drag at a quick foundation of unspecified size just kind of randomly, then threw a basement under it and shift-clicked some stairs in to make sure that was working and it was.

Then I just hit undo a few times to start over with the foundation the exact size and shape of what I had already built. I had no cheats on while doing that.

Then when I went to shift click the stairs into the basement they wouldn't go. I was getting the same old "Modular stairs have no steps" error. This is a 40x40 lot with a 20x20 foundation starting 10 tiles away from the street and 5 tiles away from the left side. A 20x20 foundation with absolutely nothing on it and a 20x20 basement underneath.

Couldn't put stairs anywhere in that foundation. So I hit undo again getting rid of the foundation and basement and again just dragged out a quick foundation of random size and location and matching basement underneath and low and behold shift clicking the stairs worked again.

So I hit undo again and went back to the foundation and basement the desired size and location and again the shift clicking of the stairs stopped working again.

So by now I'm concluding that regardless of how far away from any walls you're trying to put your stairs, Shift-clicking stairs just doesn't like certain foundation sizes or certain basement sizes so I hit undo yet again and dragged out another randomly sized foundation and basement and shift clicked in the stairs at the precise location I want them at in relation to the edges of the lot and the once the stairs were in resized the basement and foundation to what I wanted around the stairs.

So then I thought, Maybe I can go back to what I've already built and just add some foundation and basement to make it no longer a perfect square but a bit more random, just change the size enough to get it to let me put the stairs in and then delete the extra so I wouldn't have to start all over again but no such luck. No matter how much basement and foundation I added I couldn't get it to let me put the stairs in so It looks like I am going to have to start over on the lot where I did manage to get the stairs in.

This is just crazy. It works but only when it wants to.
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Re: Adding basement stairs in garage
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2012, 07:04:13 PM »
Hm.... Well, with that you have exhausted any ideas I would have. Anyone else have an idea?
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