I love the dopey look on her face
*snort*
Clever, no? ;D
Very! ;D I only remember White and I think I get that one wrong - ffffff?
That's so crazy, and kind of poetic, that you got twins! You just can't escape from the nooboo's can you? :D
Pam, if money is tight, why did you buy a car? Do sim taxis not allow more than one passenger?
Carina was in charge of collecting metals to increase the family's wealth, increasing it to almost $200,000 by the time they returned home.
This is the part I'd like to know more about. Does she already have the Collection Helper, or did you use the mercury collecting quest?In china there is the Telescopic Metals quest which highlights and labels all metals - including plutonium
This is the part I'd like to know more about. Does she already have the Collection Helper, or did you use the mercury collecting quest?
I'd like to see him reach his LTW so he'll have a larger tombstone
I didn't know they get a larger tombstone if they complete their LTW! What interesting things you learn here.
Pam how did you manage a 20 day vacation? I haven't done the vacations much, just run to France to learn the nectar skill and grab a scooter, etc. I thought you had to do all those challenges do lengthen the vacation times? Not so??
I bought her the Fertility Treatment Lifetime Reward. I'm trying to manage those carefully to make sure I have enough unique rewards for the entire Dynasty and I figured early would be the best time to use that one, while there's plenty of room in the house for extras.
Can you get a high Visa level without doing all the cave things, etc.? Frankly I have no interest in going through electricity and fire traps and all that. I hate it in fact but my daughter told me I had to if I wanted to buy a vacation home. I want the vacation home but don't want to do those crazy tombs or whatever.
Yes, all but Kenny have the Prepared Traveler lifetime reward. Christopher has level 3 Visa.
It's definitely possible to get to level 3 Visa without doing tombs, especially if you have the Opportunistic reward. Your Sim will get more toward the Visa points with each adventure he completes. There are plenty of adventures that involve finding gems, metals, and insects. Plus some to bring fish, talk to Sims, etc. Even on the adventures that end up in a tomb, you can do the pieces leading up to it for the Visa points. Sometimes there are 2 or 3 pieces that involve talking to the locals or something before actually going into the tomb. Do those and then cancel the one that takes you into the tomb.
@Telsey: You need to upload your avatar image again. When Carl moved the server, the images were dropped.
I'd like to see him reach his LTW so he'll have a larger tombstone, but mostly he's just needed to father the third generation
Thanks to everyone for reading and commenting! :)
You change the toddlers hair and clothing the same way that you change other Sims, mirror and dressers. The toddlers will crawl over to either the mirror or dresser and sit in front of them. Cool huh?
That grim reaper picture has "Caption Contest Photo" written all over it! It is too funny!
So Grimmy likes muffins, who knew? :D
Oh, that was a given — no bones about it.
I liked the Black/White decor, but the pink bedroom / bath suite is very nicely done too, Pam. When you spend the time to color-coordinate stuff like this, do you save a copy of the final objects, or do you just save the patterns you've created? Or neither?
Ok, I have a thought. You know how when it's time to come home if you use the phone to make the arrangements you get a place where it asks who is going home? What would happen if you left the elder who was about to die in a few days, behind? Would he stay alive? I hope so as I get rather attached to the spouse.
Mmm hmmm. I don't EVER want to read you saying you aren't creative ever, ever again! That is a fabulous museum idea. Mine is currently a boring hole in the ground. lol
Great update, Pam. RIP Christopher. Wow. 117 days! Crazy long.
Christopher (Steel) Dreamweaver passed away at age 117 days. He was at home and surrounded by all of his girls. This is the face of a dying Sim who lived long and well.Why oh WHY couldn't my Halliwell sisters lived that long? :( That's impressive, Pam!
I hate it when the good ones die. I cry for hours and am bummed out for quite some time. I love the way this story is going, Pam.Me too, which is why I always have either Ambrosia, Life Fruit or a Death Flower! That way, my sims don't die, until I'm ready for them too!
Is that metals quest repeatable? I've been keeping it up forever, thinking I only have one chance at it.
Also on the next day, my beloved Nectarine and Indigo aged up to Elders...They both immediately made a trip to the mirror to restore their hair color and makeup. I really can't deal with the gray hair. I just can't.
Now that they are engaged, I found out that Oliver is the son of VJ Alvi (the evil one with a mohawk)! Looks like we're going to have some Alvi blood in the future Dynasty.Who's his mother? I can't imagine anyone falling for VJ.
Who's his mother? I can't imagine anyone falling for VJ.
"Isn't it everyone's dream to live in a house with 7 of your family members who will live forever and ever. In the same house. For millenia to come. That's what everyone wants. I know it is!"I will pass as well! My dream might be to live forever, but not with 7 other people under the same roof, I don't care if they are my relatives! Another thing about the hair, Pam have you noticed when you dye their hair, it changes on the sim herself but not on the pics on the side and middle? I have an elder in my house now and I dyed her hair blond, but it still shows gray except on her. I have a screenshot, but I don't want to put it here, unless you have seen it and know what I'm talking about, where should I put it?
Ha ha ha ha!!! Too funny! I know I totally wish I could spend forever and ever living in the same house with my great grandmother, grandmother, mother, daughter, granddaughter, etc! Could you imagine!?
Heck, 8 women living in the same house? I think I'll pass!!!
Awesome update Pam! I love the walkway with Kenny's Topiaries and then the scene after the kissing in the wedding when they are framed by that arch. Very nicely done.
Did you notices the ones with no heads? ;D
Gorgeous pics Pam. Love the update. Hard to believe there are more weddings, twins turned elder and sims life goes on. It is amazing when it goes full circle. That was something like my idea of portraits and their living room together, very nicely done.I love the new color! It's so beautiful! I wish I could have the patience to match everything, but doing items one at a time is rather repetitive and gets on my nerves lol.
Reading your stories is like watching a fashion show. I can't for the life of me find the sexy halter dress that Chartreuse is wearing. Do you remember the original coloring, which might help me find it?
Chartreuse's dress is one of the new ones in Fast Lane.
Thanks for the great comments, everyone! Periwinkle, Oliver, Nectarine, and Kenny are in Shang Simla now for 14 days. Wish me luck! ;D
Ummm, how are they going to sculpt in Shang Simla?If you buy a vacation home, you can buy the sculpting table from buy mode.
The wedding is gorgeous. I'm always at a loss as to how to set up something like that so I usually opt for private wedding. I really don't know how to do it. Just as a party? I think Periwinkle is my favorite of all your characters. Ummm, how are they going to sculpt in Shang Simla?
Where is the dress that Carina wore? I have all the ep and sp, but can not find it. Is it cc, or did it come with a ep or sp?
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc131/pammarsden/Sims%203/Screenshot-23.jpg)
Floor length? *is confused*
She sculpted them in China and I just put them in the family inventory because I wasn't certain the sales would go toward her career while on vacation.I can safely say no. I was in France last night and my sculptor was working on the 25 Ice sculptors, so I basically had to sell, and when I got home, her career was the same as when she left.
Thanks to everyone reading! :)
Oliver's a hottie. You said VJ Alvi's his dad. Who's his mom? Just curious. Great update!
Great job on collecting the Pangu axe, will be useful but why did you avoid raiding the tomb and so many relics and collections?
It was near the end of a 17 day trip and I was getting tired of it, to be honest. I can always go back for them another time.
I intend to have a skull cut of every gem, as well as large cuts of every gem in every shape.
I always chuckle when someone observes the board-breaking, but you made it much better by giving her a big audience! It's a wonder, with all that ooohing and ahhhing that she can hold onto her meditative focus, and not break her hand. I noticed the ka-chink sound and some cash coming in and thought at first that she was chopping for tips! That would be great.
I couldn't help but notice that really cute Butterfly wall fixture next to the bed where Chris is sleeping... Was that part of a set from the store? Which one?
Why does Oliver still have his ducky? ???
Or was the radio on to custom music?
Pam, you really know how to entertain people that's for sure!! ;D
Thanks! When I was 3 years old (1963) I used to do the twist in my Buster Browns for the sailors at the bus station. That's what I've been told, anyway. I don't remember it. :DYou're welcome! That's so cool! I don't remember 1963 either lol. ;D
Thanks! When I was 3 years old (1963) I used to do the twist in my Buster Browns for the sailors at the bus station. That's what I've been told, anyway. I don't remember it. :D
Do the "young uns" even know what Buster Browns are? And what was the name of his dog? (Hi. I'm Buster Brown. I live in a shoe. That's my dog ................ He lives in there too.) lol
She's beautiful Pam! And no I don't even know who Buster Brown is much less the name of his dog! I was just trying to make a joke Pam, wasn't trying to be mean!
Um, now I know I need a life outside of Sims 3. When I got to the part about Indigo dying, I gasped out loud: "Indigo died!" So my son comes running and he's like "Who died mom?" Yeah, the day I get worked up over a sim dying is the day I need a break ;DMy eyes got misty, so if you need a break I do too! It's so sad when they die!
I feel so bad about her dying. The way you write the story gives us an intimate view of the Dreamweavers' life and so we all get caught in your web... RIP The Girl That Did Not Live :)
Thaks Pam, that was helpful. Do you know if there are any benfits to youing you sims fave color?
I'll have an update soon, but in the meantime, I want to share this video of Oliver talking through a bear to Banana.
Banana Talks to Bear (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Carls-Sims-3/119594271401753?ref=sgm#!/video/video.php?v=144671238910287&ref=mf)
There's a stuffed rabbit. I'll give that a try too. Thanks!
And was that Elvis in the background? ;D
Banana is soooo adorable and her dad seems to have taken up her colors as his own.
Chiquita Banana! Lol That is hilarious! You Probably know this Pam, but if you want to keep Nectarine away from the sculpting table, just remove the door or put them downstairs without stairs. The family Cemetery is gorgeous! Well, you know what I mean ;).
Rather than remove the door, I've been locking the door. There are 4 Sims who need to be on the balcony to paint and sculpt. So, there are 4 doors leading to the balcony and each of the doors is locked to everyone except one of the 4 Sims. But to let a Sim in to post, I have to unlock one door. That's when the speedy and wily Nectarine makes her move. Lol.Instead of Nectarine, she should have been named Speedy lol. ;D
Also, a thought about your save problems. If I remember correctly you keep a few save files and save over them in rotation? You might have better luck creating a new save file every save. You don't have to keep all that accumulate, but you'll have a fresh save file each time, and that might help you.
If there's something about Pam's file right now...whatever that might be...that's causing all of her crashes to desktop, then rotating a bunch of new save files is unlikely going to solve the problem.
I did not suggest that she rotate any files. In fact I'm suggesting that she *not* rotate files at all; rather save each file as a new one. Example: Dreamweaver 1, Dreamweaver 2, etc. all the way to Dreamweaver 999. She can delete the earlier numbered ones or keep them in another folder outside of the Sims folder, but each save file is fresh and never saved over.
This is how I handle my saves, and I've never had any of the troubles I read about here.
Update: After chatting with Metro, I found that the Vizard of Vine challenge won't be tricky after all. First of all, he said that he thinks the challenge is bugged. Secondly, homegrown is homegrown, no matter who harvests it. Thirdly, gardening and nectar making are completely separate skills. So, Carina will grow all the grapes and give them to Banana to make into nectar. She will easily use 400 grapes while SuperMaxing this skill. I'll keep track of it with paper and pen.That's so cool Pam!
Oh no!!!! I think y'all are right. I just bombed my dynasty with that tattoo. I completely forgot. Somebody shoot me, please.
I thought that only counted for Immortals? Chartreuse is a Mortal sim, I think....
I talked to Pam quite a lot this morning on her issue and I'm allowing her to age up the twins together. It was a simple mistake. Pam simply forgot about the tattoo effect, so no big deal. There's no way I could see letting this Dynasty come to an end over a stupid tattoo. C'mon. I mean rules are rules, but in this case the solution results with the tattoo essentially never having the life extending impact at all if the twins age up together.
Squad! Take aim.HA! That's hilarious! Can I use it as my quote sometime? ;D ;D
And, fire!
BOOM!
The Smoke Clears, and there is nothing there, except the smouldering remains of a strange device
Soldier! Check the wreckage.
Yes sir.
Runs forward, comes back
Sir! It looks like a time-machine!
Yes, folks, Pam had made a dramatic exit through the Space Time Continuum.
I talked to Pam quite a lot this morning on her issue and I'm allowing her to age up the twins together. It was a simple mistake. Pam simply forgot about the tattoo effect, so no big deal. There's no way I could see letting this Dynasty come to an end over a stupid tattoo. C'mon. I mean rules are rules, but in this case the solution results with the tattoo essentially never having the life extending impact at all if the twins age up together.That is awesome! Everyone makes mistakes! Metro, have I told you this before? You are awesome! ;D
Lol. That's so funny. Exactly where are the ghosts going? The cemetary perhaps...
Just wondering Pam, wht did you decide not to date the paper boys?
-splutters at the pictures of the similar cousins-
I think that Ethan Bunch is a pre-made Sim living in Sunset Valley when the game starts.
The Sims 3 Wiki has this: http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Ethan_Bunch (http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Ethan_Bunch) :o
So, he's like.. around 4 generations old?
HA! That's hilarious! Can I use it as my quote sometime? ;D ;D
My current game has their bathrooms accessed from the outside because of... well, a combination of bad design and laziness.
lol!
Welcome to the forum. I'm with you on not doing well with color.
So, I'm guessing for Banana's living room, that it'll be mostly items from the HELS and Store?
Christopher's lips have certainly been passed down through the generations.
Rachel
Christopher's lips have certainly been passed down through the generations.My thoughts exactly. It seems as if the game uses one set of genetics more than another. Most of the time though, the wrong set. Don't get me wrong, they are pretty ;D Its just sometimes we like our CAS sims to have the dominant gene.
Rachel
My thoughts exactly. It seems as if the game uses one set of genetics more than another.
Wonderful as usual. I never have liked any shade of yellow but you sure made it work with that makeover. I've completely changed my mind on that color and love what it can do. Mario is a handsome hunk now, isn't he?
Here's a video of Mario and Banana in China. Mario's rather animated when he watches television.
Mario and Banana Watch Television (http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/video.php?v=147073075336770)
Congratulations Banana. Which number generation are you on now Pam I am thinking that little Cinnamon is the fifth generation am I right?
Rachel
Did you choose them?
That video was soooo awesome. Hee hee. And Mario needs to jump back in the body sculptor. That's one of the reasons I never bother with it because its so temporary.
Pam, is there any way to stop taking pics of adorable Nooboos?
Very cool family tree!What? ???
I kept holding my breath that Banana wouldn't drop Cinnamon into the grapes. (Wow, that sounds like a recipe.)
Banana's new husband, Mario, has an interesting family tree. He's the grandson of Thornton and Morgana Wolff. He's got a sister named Harmony and their father is Rashawn Morris, who is the son of Monika Morris and Jared Frio. That makes him their grandson, too.
Some of you may remember that Jared Frio is the father of the baby Claire Ursine is carrying at the start of the game. That baby is usually a girl, but I've seen her have a boy once or twice. In my game, Claire's baby with Jared is named Sherry Ursine. I can see her in Mario's family tree, which means I can also see that Sherry had a half-sister named Brenna Ursine. Now, here's the twist. Brenna's father is Jared's brother, Connor Frio! That makes Sherry and Brenna half sisters and cousins!
Mario's sister, Harmony, has two children with William Bonilla, who is a second generation townie from a family who moved to town after the game started. The children are Bettina Wolff (a teen) and Aaron Wolff (an infant). They are the 4th generation of the Wolff family. The Ursine family has died off with Sherry and Brenna.
All this means that little Cinnamon has the blood of quite a few of the original townies. I think that's pretty cool. :)
Yes, Chiquita is rude, she's not sweet like Banana ;)Of course not! Who could be? ;D
Some of those fish are nasty looking, for example the deathfish. Eww. :D
In the Periwinkle video, what caused the Lifetime Wish Completion music to play?
Cinnamon is cute, but why the glasses? I wear them in RL so my sims never wear them! Frank Dreamweaver? Has a nice ring to it ;D.
I wear them in real life, too. At dinner with my husband's family this past weekend, I realized that all of us at the table were wearing glasses! I thought it would be something different for a Dreamweaver, plus Cinnamon is a Genius and a Bookworm. Glasses help give her that brainy look for a future doctor. ;DTrue! You think of everything!!
I LOVE the glasses! And that dress is absolutely precious. Did you do the pattern yourself in the pattern maker? It's so pretty! I think she'll be very happy in her indoors outdoor room.
Great update with Cinnamon, Pam. Wow, I can't believe how fast you play this Dynasty! I wonder who is going to finish first? Schipperke is up there too. I know it's not a race, I was just being curious. It will be nice to finally establish the Hall of Fame.
I haven't messed with the pattern maker. I think it's a pattern that came with the game. I just recolored it. It was a busy pattern, so I put the cinnamon color in two of the color slots to make it less busy. I'm quite smitten with her hair, actually. It's the one that came with Fast Lane, I believe.
Wow! I wish I could build houses that awesome... But I stink at building. TT_TT
Pam, why do you say you can't build good houses? That is gorgeous! Mine always turn out to be big boxes lol.
Quick question Pam, What sets have you brought from the store? I received some money from my uncle and I think I'll buy one or two sets, I'd like your option :)
At least your box looks better than my boxes! Lol. Cool update, I thought the size mattered at the time of conception though but I guess not! She's beautiful!
Also, if I may ask, exactly what lights do you use to color your statues that way? I've been trying to replicate it but I just can't seem to get them as solidly colored as you do!
Oh Pam, how do you get so much money in such a short time? :o
Loved the tour of the house, Pam! And Cinnamon has turned out to be a really pretty girl. :)
Pam, he does look like Oliver a lot. I had no idea what may cause that fast aging. Can tattoos work in reverse too? Or he just used someones birthday cake. There are always surprises it game, but this one is beyond game logic :-\ Your gem collection is amazing. I can't wait to see the final result of your collecting goal! And in every update you give so much attention to toddlers. Your love for them is visible all over the story. That's so cute!
Hmm, I thought I posted a question to your story, now I can't find it so I will try again... Since you are getting so close to the end (way farther than me) I was wondering what you plan on doing to get your eighth generation? Since all your immortals are female? I have a male for my Third generation I was thinking of using (yuck). But I was curious how you are going to handle that?
All offspring must result from natural pregnancies of Sims living in the Dynasty house.
I thought for the rules, the spouse had to live in the house, does that not apply to the seventh generation sim?
I will be so glad if I am wrong, and I don't have to use great-great grandpa!
Your 7th generation firstborn must be a female. She will need to become pregnant without adding a spouse to the household to bring in the 8th and final immortal.
Cinnamon is the 5th generation. :)
Cinnamon is the 5th generation. :)Yay three more to go! Way to go Pam!!
When Banana eats Ambrosia, I'll officially be at the halfway point. :DSweet! That's so cool!! ;D
Having celebrities in the Dynasty doesn't bother me at all. In fact, it will add some excitement to it to help break up the tedium of long term Elders with no real reason to do anything throughout eternity.See, thats why I wasn't not going to play the dynasty- It's sad to have so many forever elders, with nothing to do. But your's is almost good enough to make me try it! :D
I've never done it this way with a self-employed profession
Oh, have you already chosen the names? But I've already checked the HEX chart! You could have called the next heiress... Octopus! Or... Bread! Or... Yolk! Kermit! Lizard! Guacamole! Frog! Park Ranger! Dumpster! Blue Tuna! Novascotia Salmon! Turnip! Dog Tongue! Or my personal favourite, Piglet Snout! :D, just kidding. I've only started following the Dynasty and I have to say I'm really enjoying it. And there are plenty of lovely names to pick from, so I'm looking forward to seeing what colour the next generation's going to be. ;D
I have to tell you... Piglet Snout was a serious contender. Pigletsnout Dreamweaver. :D
I have to tell you... Piglet Snout was a serious contender. Pigletsnout Dreamweaver. :D
BTW: Does Carina mean gray or salt-n-pepper in some foreign tongue? I'm sorry but I don't get what the name means. I know what nectarine(citrus orange), charteuse(yellow-green), and periwinkle(lilac blue) mean, but carina is a mystery.
And if I may? What set are those wall lamps from in the new bathroom? I adore them!
You missed a spot - the stereo.
I agree. The teal makes it pop. Cinnamon wouldn't be an easy color as everything could easily end up looking like it was from a gingerbread house, but the redecoration definitely does not.
The family has a new butler named Wesley Herbert. Cinnamon had a wish to get some advice from him. He told her she should be a writer. Alrighty then. You just go back to cooking and cleaning, Wesley, ok?
What's with the humor all of a sudden? ;) I loved that. Very funny.
@CJ:
Everyone in my family has the name Dreamweaver. I put (Wolff) in Mario's name because that's what his name was before he married Banana. Just to honor his original name and have it remembered. And don't worry, I'm not going to fail at the Dynasty because Cinnamon isn't married yet. She hasn't even tried to find a husband and when she does, I'm sure she'll be successful. :)
How about the butler? Could she marry the butler?
Plus, the butler has disappeared! He just suddenly wasn't there making beds or cooking. I don't know if the butler thing is bugged or if it's part of their programming that they're unreliable.
Pam, just out of interest do any of your Sims name colours match up with their favorite colours?
Rachel
Now your house is filled with ladies! And another big tombstone, great work, your Sims are truly happy Sims.
I guess you had to force your hand, huh? Well, congrats on finally getting Cinnamon married! It was funny seeing the butler get beat up.
A lovely wedding Pam as always. I guess Cinnamon and Frank were just destined to be together
Rachel
I really didn't plan for her to marry him, but when I found her talking to him on the street again, I figured it was meant to be. :)It was fate! ;D
I'm surprised Cynthia didn't leave behind an urn.
The family went to check out the new dance club in town, The Grind. Carina and Aaron Wolff demonstrated some new dance moves. Very funny!
New Dance Moves (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=153186331392111&saved#!/video/video.php?v=153186331392111)
Where are the bridal sculptures of Nectarine and Carina?
Ok, everyone... Cinnamon is pregnant! ;DYaaay! ;D
Ok, everyone... Cinnamon is pregnant! ;D
Yeah, game is making copies, that is for certain. It is strange since there is a lot of options for random Sims.
Cinnamon is going to be great mother, but Frank looks exactly as Oliver. In this dynasty history repeats he he
Those headless giraffes are so funny! Can't wait for little one to be born!
Cinnamon and Frank will be great parents. Congrats, Pam! So, do your adoring fans get to pick the name or are you enlightening us soon? ;)
You're going to have a real band there, and colorful one too:)
I had hoped to have all the Immortals in the Carina and the Dreamweavers band, but I just found out that bands are limited to four members. I think they can all jam together, though. Bands are needed for gigs, but I haven't gotten a single gig at all.
It linked on its own somehow.
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc131/pammarsden/Sims%203/Screenshot-284-1.jpg)What exactly is she doing? Biting Cinnamons finger? :o
What? One of my last names is Foss! Curse you, my terrible imagination! CURSE YOUUUUUU!
They drew quite a large crowd, so it was a great time for Grim to come for Timothy Foss.
...Eh? ??? I don't get it at all.
Even girls with glasses can have a wild side.
Sort of.
Some big suprise involving Catrina Dreamweaver... ??? I wonder how long we will have to wait! :DAAAAAAAAAH! I wanna know NOW! :'(
AAAAAAAAAH! I wanna know NOW! :'(
Aaaand, this just further proves my immaturity. Congratulations, Simstar. ::)
Bellalupa, I'm not Pam, but the tour is posted in 3 parts on 43 to 44. Isn't it beautiful? :D
I was wondering, are the paintings for immortal's required to be brilliant or masterpiece? After reading quite a few dynasties, I'm not sure if it's a preference or a requirement.
Pam, you are brillant.
Just wondering, are you allowed to age up visting sims with an extra birthday cake? That way you could have your pick ;)
I am seriously confused! Just what is all this going to augment too? ???
Eesh. :o What'd guests say about the party?
Pam, it's really nice! You're right, Scarlet looks nothing like her mum (Apart from the sleepwear, of corse, lol :D) Just wonding (again) why you decied to do the suit mainly in pink/rasberry instead of scarlet?
I just googled Pepto Bismol, which apparanty we don't have in Australia, and NO WAY does Scarlet's room look like that! Pam, you are very harsh on yourself! >:( (lol)
Pam, did you have a strategy or game plan in mind when you started playing your dynasty? If not have you developed one over time or are you just winging it so to speak?
You seem very organised and methodical that is why I am asking.
Rachel
Pam, I have been reading your Dynasty since I first started lurking on the forum. I have got to say that I just love it! It's what inspired me to try a Dynasty of my own. You are great at telling the story and it makes the whole thing seem so real! I also kind of stole your color idea, now all of my individual Sims outfits are coordinated to around one particular color just for them.
Poor Carina could only watch her daughter. And drink.
Pam,you have done such a lovely job with all your different decorating schemes. You are so very talented at that and the way you dress your Sims is so appealing and lovely. I am especially loving Scarlet's clothing but then red is my favorite color. You can never have too much red! lol Really fabulous update and I seriously hope you continue with them once the challenge has been met.
Here's a video of Grim in the hot tub. (http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/video.php?v=157255920985152&oid=119594271401753&comments)That made me laugh! That's hilarious!!
WHAT IS MIDNIGHT?! It's driving me INSANE!
Great update Pam! They shore have high class vacation homes! Dreamweaver Dream Vacation! And blowing free expensive things up? Yeah, I won't say you spoil them too much! And they do have a lot of money, but I also wonder about real estate part, since it's where a lot of money can go.
O that's really bad! It's great strategy to isolate her from SV and keep her saving her friends at least there. One more reason not chose inventing as supermax. Can they blow things up as teens or they have to wait for YA? But in famous family even children become celebrities, so it is enough of a reason not to jump into supermaxing inventing. Hot tubing and some grouping should help her relationship with Antone and Periwinkle, but so sorry to hear that negative sideeffect.
That was just beautiful Pam.
Rachel
I've been meaning to ask this for a while: is Carina a color, or did you decide to do the color theme after you started?
That toddler is his AUNT?!? Woaah. :o
Almost there Pam! I think Bubblegum has replaced Banana as my favourite wacky baby name, and it's a lovely fun colour too. ;DFor real! Have you seen him shaking it at the club?? ;D :-*
And I think I might have a small crush on Antone...
Awesome! So Bubblegum is the key? Cool! Hey Pam, can I teach Bubblegum her alphabet? Please? Lol I just wanna talk to her for a few minutes then I will give her right back I promise! ;D
I get what you mean by midnight now but I am not going to say anything here. The bit about seeing midnight in Bubblegums eyes made it click into place.AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! TELL MEEE! MUST KNOW!
Great update.
Rachel
You really crack me up. ;DCool! Are you laughing hard enough for the secret to slip out? Lol.
Bubblegum really reminds me of Cinnamon, with the hair, and I think she's going to be 'pleasantly plump" like her too. She is sooo cute :D
Now, why do you think she's going to be plump? Toddlers don't vary in their size that I'm aware of.
Oh, It was just a perdiction- She reminded me of Cinnamon, she was a little bigger then the other pint-sized girls, so I thought Bubblegum might end up looking like her :)
Antone is pretty muscular, but does he have a Sims tattoo? :D
That's an awesome arm Antone! Maybe after midnight, he can get a tattoo ;D ;D.
Well after midnight and after his ghost has been resurrected seeing as there are two more generations to come I am thinking he may have died well before Midnight gets here. :DLol true! Hey I've never seen a ghost with a tat! That would be awesome!!
Rachel
Pam I was just wondering if this was your first attempt, if it is then I am so jealous as I am on my 4th. I think the Dreamweavers will be the next Dynasty to finish if all goes well.
Ohhh, we're getting a lot of updates lately, aren't we Pam? Not that I'm complaining of course ;)
Of course, Grim had to make an appearance. He seems oddly attracted to the family sometimes.
WOAH! Lot's of updates! Bubblegun is really kawaii (already said that :P ) and since when can sims catch sea slime?
Lovely job on Bubblegum's bedroom, Pam, and I think I'd be willing to marry in Teddy Cheek on basis of his name alone. He sounds like a cuddly toy. ;D
On a related topic, you mentioned a Sim called Laura Ramsey in your game. Surely she's not descended from the original (homeless) townie Dave Ramsey? My story progression's nowhere near that effective, and the original townspeople are invariably bred out by the fourth generation. I'd be amazed to hear if that were true! :o
I just checked the family tree. No, she's not a descendant of Dave Ramsey. She's got a grandfather named Freddy Ramsey and he's at the top of the Ramsey tree.
Y'all are forgetting that I don't decorate the bedrooms in the color of the Dreamweaver. It's the living room that carries the color of the current generation. So, when Bubblegum ages to Young Adult, that lovely living room that Scarlet decorated will be pink mania. ;DOh yea I did forget that! I can't wait to see the pink living room either!! ;D
Aww! She's lovely :D
The last everyday outfit, the one with pink jeans and vest, which category is the material in? I love it!
Can't wait to see the revamped living room ;)
Did you find a place to put the film studio on Sunset Valley? I think that would be a cute profession for her. I am playing my dynasty in Sunset Valley but I was only able to place the grind. All of the other lots I tried to put in never worked out for me.
How did you get the Rock Star outfit for Bubblegum?
Oh yeah, Chartreuse! I forgot about her ... Shame on me! :o
How's the Living room revamp going? ;)
Bubblegum is absolutely one of the prettiest Sims I've seen, and I like just playing in CAS to make pretty faces. LOL.
EDIT- Pam, can we have a few pics of the museum? Please? ;)
Is he a future Dreamweaver? ;)
None of them can be a future Dreamweaver. Remember, Bubblegum can't marry. She's the 7th generation.Awwww... no bubblegum pink wedding gown? :'(
And hmmm.... I will guess... One of the Jamils. ;D
Awwww... no bubblegum pink wedding gown? :'(
You are gonna have to share with me how you got the other bars in Sunset Valley, I am having a rough time, I was only able to place the grind.
Just to dive in, I created bars and clubs to fit on the lots of Pinochle Point. On the Sims3 exchange under ladydragon76 if you want to look at them. They aren't super fancy, but they work the same, and they sorta fit in better with Sunset Valley than the sky scrapers IMHO.
Wew! Gen 8! :D Is forest a Green or a Brown?
BTW, Pam I am also curious as to where you put the bars. For the life of me I couldn't make the Prosper Room fit!!!
GAAAH! Forest just HAD to inherit everything from his mom, didn't he? >:(
But Pam, I'm begging you, change the tips on his hair! They are cute, but he's a boy! He wouldn't last long in school with those...
Ughhhhh.... MORE MIDNIGHT SUSPENSE! GAAAH!
Also, you need to upload your profile picture/avatar again. Carl moved us to a new server recently and those images don't ever survive the move.
He looks like one of the Jamil's I think!
That's what I thought, but Pam told us about Bubblegum woohooing with one Jamil, and that would make us think that Forest was his baby, but nothing with the Dreamweavers is that simple. Of course, this could also be a clever attempt by Pam to make us doubt the obvious. Well done if you followed my *slightly* twisted logic there... :DTrue! Maybe she is trying to confuse us! To me, that logic was not twisted at all! ;D
Wow, just wow. You have a room dictated for every person in your family? With ice sculptures and paintings? You must have one really good computer to render all that.
I like the basement the most. Especially the room with the nectar machines. A nice use of floor and wallpaper. It doesn't make the basement to dark, yet you can see it is a basement.
True! Maybe she is trying to confuse us! To me, that logic was not twisted at all! ;D
Pam are you ever going to reveal who the father is?
Wow, someone understands my logic! FINALLY! You have proved that I am not insane! Or that we both are, maybe. :PNo, you're not insane. Or maybe I am, who knows! ;D Thank goodness Pam! Although we will probably find out who Forest's dad is at the same time we find out what midnight means! ::)
Yes. ;D
Is it just me, or is Thad Cantu shockingly handsome?Not as handsome as Antone!! Is that his daddy?? Forest's I mean not Antone lol.
Not as handsome as Antone!! Is that his daddy?? Forest's I mean not Antone lol.
Is it just me, or is Thad Cantu shockingly handsome?
Are you trying to throw us off the scent? :)She's always mysterious! First the mystery about midnight, now the baby daddy mystery! Oh well, Pam's an awesome writer and who doesn't like a good mystery book? ;D ;D
When Cinnamon showed up at the party did you have control over her or was she there just like any other NPC?
Just a quick question Pam, how far back does the game trace relationships? Like, for example, does the game show that Forest is related to Carina?
Poor Forest! He just can't catch a break can he? I think another vacation for this group would be just the ticket for him. If a Sim gets falsely accused while on vacation there isn't anything they can do about it is there? I mean don't they just have to deal with it since there is no City Hall in the various countries?
Can Forest's relatives sue for slander for him?
Yes, it does. I'm very lucky that I've encountered no bugs that break family trees. I can see Forest's line all the way back to Carina, plus I can see all of the relatives that have branched out from the various spouses. It's pretty cool. I've got several of the original townies in my Dreamweaver family tree.Wow, that's incredible!
Thats amazing! I thought that Sims didn't consider anybody after their great grandparents related to them? ???
Ha! I love this Dynasty!
Pam, I wouldn't ask, but do you think you could have a look at my legacy? I've been inspired to start my own Story by this fabulous Dynasty, so, you know, you're kinda my Simming idol...
The link is on my siggy :)
Aha, the Dude is a Foreigner? You would assume he is Chinese but that is too easy I suspect. 8)
Teddy Cheek showed up. He grew into a nice looking fellow. I found out that he lives in the old Goth mansion with his family. I've seen so many families in the paper that I don't recognize, either dying or leaving town. Bubblegum needs to get to know more people. :)
And finally, just a little something for the Forest's Daddy Mystery Solvers to ponder:
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I think he looks a bit like Teddy and Gary. Pam are you ever going to reveal who the father is? Please don't say anything about midnight or I might just be forced to get on a plane and come over there! ;D
Rachel
I think it was a foreign visitor. Are there any Goths left alive?
Teddy Cheek and Gary McClellan live together.Pam I swear I'm just about ready to hire someone to go and steal that game disk from you and tell us who his dad is, and then hire someone else, a nice scary looking guy, to, a persuade you to tell us what midnight is ;).
Pam I swear I'm just about ready to hire someone to go and steal that game disk from you and tell us who his dad is, and then hire someone else, a nice scary looking guy, to, a persuade you to tell us what midnight is ;).
and the Moodlet Manager doesn't work on him. Poor kid just has to live with the -20 moodlet for 3 days.
You remember that the moodlet manager is banned right? Please say yes please say yes!
Pam I can't believe you are so close to the end. I am going to sorely miss the Dreamweavers.Me too. I hope I was right about why she had a boy and I hope she keeps us up to date on them! My days would just not be the same without the Dreamweavers!!
I'm thinking about trying to max out Mixologist... but 42 drinks is a LOT! I was only able to place 3 clubs in Twinbrook, so it worries me that it would be impossible to learn everything that's needed. Do you think that would be a problem?
Author's note: I have never in my life been able to put my head between my knees while flying through the air upside down!
Hehe! You are so funny, Pam! ;D
What's the longest holiday your Sims have been on?
Never been on a trampoline in my life!
This is Jamil Barakat, Bubblegum's love interest. It seemed to be mutual, but he didn't come to her party even though she has the Legendary Host Lifetime Reward, which is supposed to guarantee that everyone invited will attend. She's about to visit him at the market and find out what the deal is.
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I haven't either. I've had the opportunity before, but jumping in the air, coming down and flying even higher is definitely not my idea of fun! I have vertigo and that most certainly would set it off! Great update! ;D
Honestly? You should try it sometime. It is tons of fun.
Ughhh... Midnight... AGAIN?! >:(
Does this really anger you that much?Nah. I'm just really impatient. :P
Forest's birthday came only a couple of days later. Bubblegum threw a birthday party for him and invited some special people. Here's Forest clowning around with his grandfather.
Was that teddy or Gary at the birthday party?
Rachel
Isn't Forest's grandfather Antone?
WHew, read from the begining and I must say it is amazing! Congrats!Wow I have to agree with Simstar!! When I read the entire thread for the Dynasty rules, it took like 3 or 4 days!
Actually I went through it for 3 days before I finished. I focus better in a gradual way than all at once, like studying for a test.
That would be so funny if Pam tested everyone once her dynasty was finished.I would fail this test. But, I wanna know the answer to number 2 and 3 NOW!! ;D
Question number 1 without looking what was Banana's spouse called? :D
Not forgetting
Question number 2 Who is Forest's daddy?
Question number 3 Who or what is Midnight and for a bonus mark when will it get here?
Rachel
That would be so funny if Pam tested everyone once her dynasty was finished.
Question number 1 without looking what was Banana's spouse called? :D
Not forgetting
Question number 2 Who is Forest's daddy?
Question number 3 Who or what is Midnight and for a bonus mark when will it get here?
Rachel
#1 - Mario
#2 - A male from SV, China, Egypt, or France
#3 - A secret
;D
Is it just me that's worried about Bubblegum going straight to the clubs after work and drinking for hours?
Congratulations (?) Bubblegum!
Quiz!1. Chiquita
Without looking:
1. What was the name of Banana's look alike cousin?
2. What was the name of Nectarine's husband?
3. Name the Dreamweaver mothers who gave birth to twins.
Quiz!
Without looking:
1. What was the name of Banana's look alike cousin?
2. What was the name of Nectarine's husband?
3. Name the Dreamweaver mothers who gave birth to twins.
Is that Scarlet's simbot at the party?
Is Gray Dreamweaver considered Bubblegum's brother, and do all the step grandsons and such show on the family tree? Soap opera, yes indeed! :D
Who was the guest who died?
Yeah but when that box comes up I bet that Pam will write out something on these lines :Aw! Pam wouldn't do that! Or would she....?
The secret love of Bubblegum andForestsFathersNameher secret lover.
Aw! Pam wouldn't do that! Or would she....?Yes she probably would lol.
I think Pam should start another immortal dynasty using forest as the founder.After finishing this one of course... because we don't know what midnight means yet! YIKES!
Hey... didn't Scarlet have something to do with Midnight? ???She's been talking about midnight for awhile now! So yes she did and Bubblegum and of course Forest. I forget but I think it was Scarlet who had midnight in her eyes. ;D
.It was Carina, though, who taught little Bubblegum how to walk.
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This tiny sweet little girl is very important to her great-great-great-great-grandmother. Even though she's been waiting for it, Carina is a bit startled to see midnight not just lurking in Bubblegum's eyes. Midnight seems to be looking back at her now.
I think Midnight was in Scarlets eyes but midnight was looking back in Bubblegums eyes. I don't recall any specific mention of Midnight in Forests eyes.
Rachel
Carina has always known. Even immortality cannot last forever. She has spent over 250 years creating and watching this family become the Immortal Dynasty, always knowing that it's only until midnight comes. It's not done yet, but she can see it in young Scarlet's eyes. The stroke of midnight lurks there. The stroke of midnight will see this thing done.
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Nobody should be surprised that great-great-great-great-great grandmother Carina takes time every day to spend with Forest. Nor was Carina herself surprised to see midnight now shining brightly back at her from darling Forest's eyes. Her release from the pain and the promise draws ever closer.
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Phew Pam you should try writing mystery books for a living! You'd be on the best-sellers list for sure!! ;D
Personally, I hope "midnight" never comes! Not if it means the end to this story!I know what you mean. I'm really torn on this. On one hand, I really really want to know what midnight means, but on the other hand if it's the way she's going to end it, I don't want to know. Lol yea sometimes I confuse myself!!
To celebrate, Bubblegum and Forest went to a club together. It was lame, so they ran across the street to a better club. Run, Forest, run!
Is that Gray the simbot again at the bistro?
You're almost there Pam. Maybe that's why Bubblegum looks so sad. She was one of my favorites, but then my favorite colors are red and pink, (not necessarily together!) You did a great job redecorating in green. I find it one of the harder colors to do things with.
Where did the stereo come from?
WA, Highend Loft stuff or Fastlane?
Unlikely, but possible. My Dynasty family has ties to the original Wolff family. They went 4 generations on their own until they died off, except for my own family. My generation 8 Sim is also a 7th generation Wolff.Wow. So that means his daddy is a Wolff. Man, I really need to re-read the Dreamweavers! That's a big clue for who his daddy is!! ;D
The stereo came from High End Loft.Yea I edited it soon after. Sorry, I should have put that here, but I was so excited! I thought I had solved it, but I didn't. >:(
Also, a bit of clarification for Esther, who made this comment on the Man Dynasty thread (I didn't want to hijack Metro's thread for my response):
Wow. So that means his daddy is a Wolff. Man, I really need to re-read the Dreamweavers! That's a big clue for who his daddy is!! ;D
The Wolff family came into the Dreamweavers when Banana married Mario Wolff, so Cinnamon is the first to have both Dreamweaver and Wolff blood. She has passed the Wolff blood all the way down to Forest. Cinnamon, Bubblegum, and Forest all have Thornton Wolff's hair except I dyed the tips pink on Bubblegum and the pink came on down to Forest.
Ugh! And for this ONE SIM, the game just HAD to put in genetics from neither parent. That, or maybe they're from Banana or Periwinkle. :-\
What is the page with the potential fathers?
How long had you been waiting to say Run Forest, Run? lol
I love their matching outfits! :D
"Bubblegum All Alone"?
"Waiting For Midnight"?
Pam! Why? But I do love the outfits ;)
Yeah, I know what you mean Esther. It reminds me of the Douglas Clan-I loved reading the ending, but then it was incredibly sad. I just hope that Pam answers the million-dollar questions at the end! :D
When this Dynasty is finished ( :'(), I'm going to bombard Pam with questions...
Mwahaha!
Vot!? Ook vorwad to it? Vot about vey evil plan! >:(
Wow. I have no idea what you're talking about.Lol, that made me laugh.
Wow. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Does that mean that all of the answers will not be answered when the long pondered and anticipated midnight comes around?
Hello! Have not commented in about fifty pages, but I still love the Dreamweavers! They will be dearly missed, although there already on the site! Can't wait for a new entry!
What site do you mean?
How long has this midnight business been going on? 60 pages?I don't really remember but it has been awhile! It feels like forever!! ;D ;D
Thanks for all the comments. I appreciate all of you very much!And we appreciate you and your Dynasty very much! :)
My official guess is that Teddy Cheeks is the father.
Rachel
You'd think 200 years as a World Renowned Surgeon would be worth more than that!
This isn't the first time you've mentioned how many years... I'm curious, what's your time counter at? Is it still counting in weeks?
The "Who is Forest's Daddy?" mystery has been solved!Yep, next up solving the midnight mystery!!
Oh Poor Forest and Bubblegum.
Do I win some kind of Prize ;D
Yes he still looks like his mom but I can definitely see resemblance between them.
Also, as requested, I've gotten pictures of the ones who could be Forest's daddy. Here they are in no particular order.
Teddy Cheek, another friend from school:
(http://carls-sims-3-forum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10009/TeddyCheek1.jpg)
Gary McClellan, yet another friend from school:
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Wow! They're almost identical!
Why didn't you tell us about Gary and Teddy?
How did you get so many large ingots of mummitomium? I find it really hard to find those. And your gallery is very impressive!
Oh, sorry I should clarify :P
What I meant was why weren't we told about them being brothers, I was joking with the stern tone, of course :)
EDIT- Sorry, but is writing "mum" instead of "mom" ok? I know that mom is the correct USA spelling, so should I write that? ???
So, how's Midnight going? ;)
Midnight's going slowly. Now just waiting for Forest to reach his career goals. He's at level 7 now.Just think Pam. If midnight is going slowly for you and you know what it means, just think how it's going for us! We don't know what it means! :( :(
I've been playing around with the writing career while working on my strategy for the upcoming writing challenge. It appears that you don't get credit for the weekly royalty checks. That really puts a damper on that career but doesn't affect the challenge at all. In my dynasty I think I'll follow your lead and have my writer do journalism, also. Thanks for the tip.
That really sucks, Pam. I know Forest will make it in Journalism though. However, you didn't answer the question of whether or not you'll do another story.......rabid readers want to know. lol My Sim, who was SUPPOSED to become a writer, (and then decided she'd rather be a musician), started writing as soon as she was a child and had three books under her belt before she became a teen. Then decided on music! I guess you do have to start that young to make it, huh?
Hi, newbie here. Just want to say that I love this dynasty and I have been 'lurking' on the forums for a while now and thought I would take the plunge and register.
Plus I'm dying to know what Midnight is all about ;D
Midnight? Are you possibly referring to Late Night? Or is it something in the dynasty.
Come'on Forest!I know he will he's special like his mama!! Midnight is a very inside joke indeed! There is only one person that knows exactly what it means and she's not telling! :( :( Yet anyways lol.
I know he'll make it! :)
Midnight is a very inside joke ;)
Maybe Midnight is when Forrest eats ambrosia for the first time a midnight? ??? Probably not, but it's a guess.
Pam has hinted Midnight needs Scarlet and Cinnamon, so maybe they have somthing to do with the Ambrosia.... ???Cinnamon is a doctor and Scarlet, what does Scarlet do? I forgot but maybe one of the has to get Life Fruit and the other one has to get the deathfish, and they had to tell Forest about it so he eats it! I know that's not it, but oh well. ;D ;D
Without Forest's cooperation, Cinnamon and Scarlet's sacrifice will be in vain. But Forest knows, just as Carina knows. It cannot happen without him and so he will do as he must. By the time dawn broke at the Bistro, all had been decided.
I'm thinking, I may be way off, but Cinnamon and Scarlet will sacrifice themselves (maybe stop taking ambrosia or by other means) so Forest can marry and have a child. Who says the dynasty has to end at generation 8? Plus they would want Forest to be happy so would gladly agree after their many years of life. That's my theory anyway :)Wow Mikey! At first look I said no that doesn't make sense then I sat there and thought more and that makes perfect sense! That's excellent!
I'm right here. :)Hiya Pam! How did Mikey do?? ;) Ruby, it's not strange at all. Right after Forest was born, I admitted to thinking about them when I was in bed! The Dreamweavers are an important part of our lives and we think about the rest of our lives at weird times or in weird places so why not the Dreamweavers? Cool new outfits!
Right after Forest was born, I admitted to thinking about them when I was in bed!Well, that's only slighty disturbing then ;)
Thanks Pam! Lots of goofing off, huh? ;)
The band outfits are so cute!
The skirt is from NL, but what about the top?
Do you find it your duty to buy everything there?
Love the new look. Especially the footwear!
Haha, their outfits are awesome! Where was that picture of Forest taken? I recognize the gym behind him, but don't know what room that is.
Wow Pam, I must say this is a great story! At first I was rather daunted at the 134 pages in this thread but I finally read through all of it!Isn't Pam just brillant?
Isn't Pam just brillant?Definitely! Her story is very creative :)
Isn't Pam just brillant?Definitely! ;D
That was taken inside the Dreamweaver house. The gym behind him is Nectarine's private gym. The room he's in is the center area of the 3rd floor, which is set up as a recreation area with darts, bubble machines, foosball table, etc.Yes, I knew that it was in the house, and that Nectarine's gym was behind him. I love the walls and floor in the recreation area, by the way.
Yes, I knew that it was in the house, and that Nectarine's gym was behind him. I love the walls and floor in the recreation area, by the way.I second that Micler! ;D
At the end of the dynasty could you do another large tour of the house? It has changed a lot since last time.
An Interview with Grim would have been awesome! Wonder what kind of questions he'd ask Grim... ;)
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It was Scarlet with the handcuffs on the ballroom floor~~!Uhh... I don't get it. ???
Forrest: "You know anything about all this Midnight business?"Wow! Congrats, Pam, you even have the Grim Reaper wondering about Midnight! :P ;D
Grim: "NO! I can't wait to find out myself!"
:D
Uhh... I don't get it. ???I think that was a reference to Cluedo.
Uhh... I don't get it. ???If you look at the picture of them dancing, Scarlet is thinking about handcuffs!
I assume that the playing is slow going at this point.
It will eat into his Elder stage, but he will definitely be able to reach level 10 before he dies. !Does Forest die??
Does Forest die
I missed that sentence and I have read it all. Good question for Pam. Ok, now this really is getting strange. :)
That's true Simstar! I think that will be the only bright side, cause on the negative side, the Dynasty is gonna end. :'(Agreed. It's hard for me to be optimistic about the end of the Dreamweavers. I guess I'll go back to my usual, pessimistic self. :P
Y'all read Dreamweaver's over coffee. Me, it's my bedtime reading soooooo, night all.
Forest ended up staying out too late on a work night, so his mother helped him out with the Moodlet Manager....is he sleeping with his guitar?!
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...is he sleeping with his guitar?!
I'm so looking forward to you saying he made it! Is Forest a workaholic? If he is he can work from home on his days off!
Yay, congratulations!Lol I'm glad that didn't happen but the mental image of that made me laugh! Of course if that would have happened, I would have been crying not laughing!
I confess for a second, I had an image of Forest holding the Ambrosia, then turning into golden dust as Grimmy came along...
and eating the Ambrosia for himself.
Yeah! But... Midnight? No? All of that speculation for nothing? Just a little note at the end? ??? Will I never know what midnight is?I think she said that she'd finish the story in her next post?
Author's Note: This completes the Immortal Dynasty Challenge for me. I have to tally up the museum value, then I will finish the story.
Yeah! But... Midnight? No? All of that speculation for nothing? Just a little note at the end? ??? Will I never know what midnight is?
I just need a moment to catch my breath. The story isn't finished yet, just the challenge part of the Dynasty.Yay! I knew Pam wouldn't let us down! ;D Congrats on finishing Pam!
Ok, well, I was almost finished typing out the stats when my internet crashed and I'm really not up to typing all that again right now. Ugh.Uh.
I'm so excited to be in the Hall of Fame! Yay! Thanks everyone! :D
I'll answer everyone's questions after the story is finished. :)Ok Pam. My sister officially thinks I'm nuts by the way.
*Whimper* NOOOOOOOOO! I don't want to see the Dreamweavers die! I love them! DO NOT WANT! :'(
Bubblegum and Teddy forever!!!
When'll the next midnight installment be out?
I'm not sure. I'm going out for a few hours tonight, so it won't be until I get home at the earliest.Have fun Pam! You deserve it! ;)
So Teddy and Bubblegum moved out?? That means no more Ambrosia for her right? Oh no!! Nectarine is looking good cutting all those stones!
Ok, you got me. (sniffing) Midnight is the sweetest little nooboo ever and so like her many times great-gran. It is terribly sad though that we'll be saying good bye to Carina, unless she does the science thing and brings back her love. Why not? It happened once by accident (on purpose), so why not? They don't all have to die you know. They can ALL live happily ever after.
What are Midnight's traits?
Brave and Eccentric. :DAny particular reason for those traits?
Thanks everyone. I hope to post more later tonight. Maybe even finish, if I'm very lucky.Really?
Thanks everyone. I hope to post more later tonight. Maybe even finish, if I'm very lucky.Awww no!! Not the ending!! Dreamweaver's are a large part of my life!! :'(
Pam, I have a question. Did you purchase those double doors that lead onto the deck from the store?
It's slow going right now. Lots of play to wrap things up. I should be about to post something late today. :)Yayness! ;D
I think they came with Late Night. I'm not 100% sure of that, though. I'll look when I open the game later.
Edit: No, it's not Late Night. Sorry about that. I don't remember the name of the set, but the door is called Posture Glass Double Door. It's from the Sims 3 Store.
I think they came with Late Night. I'm not 100% sure of that, though. I'll look when I open the game later.Oh, okay. I didn't think it came from Late Night. Thanks Pam. :)
Edit: No, it's not Late Night. Sorry about that. I don't remember the name of the set, but the door is called Posture Glass Double Door. It's from the Sims 3 Store.
Also, something I noticed previously - Indigo's boyfriend was Davin Steel. Any relation to her dad, Christopher Steel?
Yay!Lol, that doesn't sound stalker-ish at all ;D
Pam is on, so maybe we'll get a update! ;D
Lol, that doesn't sound stalker-ish at all ;DHaha, I just happened to check the main screen!
Pardon me but I thought that death flowers cannot save death from old age so they will still die soon if they move out as elders?
Oh, I am so happy for Banana! ;D
I love her and Mario's house, it's charming!
But is this the end?
No, that's not true. Deathflowers do save from old age, along with all other forms of death. That was a myth that was quickly disproved over a year ago.
No, that's not true. Deathflowers do save from old age, along with all other forms of death. That was a myth that was quickly disproved over a year ago.Oh, I thought when Grim came for old age, if they had a Death Flower, he just came back the next day... ???
Oh, I thought when Grim came for old age, if they had a Death Flower, he just came back the next day... ???
I love Midnight, she's so beautiful!
I thought sims emptied there inventory's when they moved out?That's only if they die or are kicked out. If you move them out, they keep whatever they have!
Pam,
Where did you get the glass cases for the butterflies? I can't find them anywhere??
Firstly, this is awesome; I love little midnight and this story ending is fantastic:).
Secondly, Mosquito cove is my favourite lot ever, and :o. Did you do the modifications to it? It's really pretty!
I hope Chris comes back! :)
Are Cinnamon and Scarlet 's graves in the graveyard? If no where are they?
If there are only 5 graves, where are Antone's and Frank's?
Wahay! I thought I reconized that place! :D Yay for Indigo and Charteuse! Is it me or does Indigo look a lot like Carina? :)
The story is fantastic, really enjoying it and so glad that Indigo and Charteuse have finally got there chance at motherhood. Did they take deathflowers with them and the little ones too?
(http://www.carls-sims-3-forum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10009/MidnightForestCemetaryCinnamon.jpg)
Is it me or does Indigo look a lot like Carina? :)When the girls became teens, I think Pam mentioned that Indigo was more like Carina, and she wished that Indigo could be the heir, but Nectarine was born first.
Crazy Man should have taken a lesson from young Midnight about tombstone relocation!
Believe it or not, it took me a couple seconds for that to register! :DHehe you forgot about Crazy pushing that heavy thing already?? ;D I'd also like a family pic, but not sure how that would work! But if anyone can figure it out, it's Pam!!
What;s Indigo and Chartreuses relation to eachother?
Pam,
When you first brought up this whole (awesome) midnight thing, did you know exactly what was going to happen?
Ask me this again when I've finished the story. I'll answer any and all questions then. :)
Amazing story Pam I am so glad you shared the Dreamweavers with us. I do have one question,would you be able to put all the actual story post(not comments)into a post and sticky it. I think it would be an brilliant example of how to do a dynasty.
Rachel
That's a good idea. I was thinking of something like that. I'll see what I can work out. :)
What made you decide not to bring back Nectarine's twin sister? Or any of the siblings?
You must have missed a piece of the story a few pages back.
Ok, my questions. How did you get Scarlet and Cinnamon to die in the first place? We all saw them take pills, but how did they die?
Those weren't just any kind of pills. Those were TestingCheats pills! Take with 8 oz of water and shift-click on your Sim to age them up. ;DThat makes sense!! I was wondering about that! I've given a few of them out! ;D ;D
Ok, my questions. How did you get Scarlet and Cinnamon to die in the first place? We all saw them take pills, but how did they die? That being said, congratulations on finishing and it was an amazing story. I will seriously miss the Dreamweavers!
Aww it's over, or is it? :) I hope not. Maybe you should start a Dreamweaver Sage? :D
Brilliant ending to a brilliant story!
I wondering if you were going to post any pictures of the final Dreamweaver house?
I loved the ending! It was simply Brilliant!
But I have a question. Would it be a possibility to upload your dynasty house, to the Swap Shop or something?
Congratulations Pam, that was simply incredible! How long did you have the Midnight story planned out for?
I've got a question. Is red Midnight's real hair color?
One: Was this the plan that you had when you first mentioned midnight about 100 pages ago?
Two: Is that the second family that you have moved to mosquito cove?
Three: (I lied. I meant three questions) Were you in cahoots with Joria this whole entire time?
Where did Midnight get her cute dress? I'm assuming you changed some items to fit her color scheme.
Did ALL the Dreamweavers move out, or is Forest, Midnight and others still living there? And why would they want to stay in such a huge mansion if there isn't a full house? Or are they planning on making it full again? Midnight might just like to have a mommy around.
I know it was mostly fun for you to write and do all this, but honestly, isn't it also a relief to be done? I'm rather looking forward to that myself, although I really do drag the story out a lot.
Do you have a copy of all the hex codes or where I could get them?
All would be nice. I tried to look them up a month ago and was not getting anywhere in ref to the sims 3. Do you need my email address to email them? Thank you I appreciate it. :)
Pam this has been a wonderful story, I'm glad that there was happy endings all round.
Would you play a non-Dreamweaver Sim in that saved file to see how the Dreamweaver story progressed, without you being in control of them?
The pill came from Cinnamon being a doctor. There's an interaction for her to "Give Experimental Treatment" and she hands over the giant pill. I had to get her back to the Medical career to make that happen. Once she had retired, the interaction was no longer available. So, she rejoined her career just so I could write that one scene. The actual death was done with testingcheats turned on. I paused, shift-clicked and selected Trigger Age Transition on both of them, then clicked play and Grim came for both of them at the same time.That is awesome! I knew about trigger age transition, but adding the pills, that was a stroke of genius!!
This is the best I can do at the moment for a group shot of the whole family. This is the 8 Immortals, plus the mortal siblings, plus Midnight. Oh, and a paparazzi. No spouses or adopted children.
(http://www.carls-sims-3-forum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10009/EntireFamily3.jpg)
And here's a video tour of the house. (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=172883139422430&oid=119594271401753&comments)
That might be fun. You mean just play anyone else in town and see what happens to the Dreamweavers without me?
I've thought about it, but I'm leaning away from it because the lot is so huge and is packed with so many items that it's difficult to play. It's got very long loading times. Any time I move away from the lot, it takes about 5 minutes for everything to render again. Even if all I do is send someone to the bookstore. However, I'm going to upload the customized furniture items and the individual Dreamweavers themselves as young adults. They will be exclusive to our Swap Shop.
Will you be uploading Midnight as well?
The pill came from Cinnamon being a doctor. There's an interaction for her to "Give Experimental Treatment" and she hands over the giant pill. I had to get her back to the Medical career to make that happen. Once she had retired, the interaction was no longer available. So, she rejoined her career just so I could write that one scene. The actual death was done with testingcheats turned on. I paused, shift-clicked and selected Trigger Age Transition on both of them, then clicked play and Grim came for both of them at the same time.
Denim is beautiful, and the new, blue living room looks great! The green was a little over-powering. It's much more cool and calming now.
What a beautiful ending, Pam!
I love the Dreamweavers, congratulations on such amazing writing in an amazing story :)
Can we have a photo tour of the house and grounds?
Please? ;)
Have you seen the video tour on Facebook yet?Well, I tried, but my Internet is to s-l-o-w to handle videos.
Well, I tried, but my Internet is to s-l-o-w to handle videos.
But I understand if you don't want to post another house tour. :)
That's a shame you can't see the videos. Some are pretty funny. I'll try to get some new house pictures posted soon. :)Thank you so much Pam! ;D
Look at Miss Hot Stuff here.
(http://www.carls-sims-3-forum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10009/CinnamonHotStuff.jpg)
I Loved it! She should have been good at it lol. How was she YA when she was an Elder though?
Carl has published my article on the Master Mixologist Lifetime Wish (http://www.carls-sims-3-guide.com/lifetimewishes/latenight/mastermixologist.php) starring Bubblegum Dreamweaver!I really enjoyed that article!
Haha, nice nick-name! She looks a bit like you Pam. ;)
It's only the glasses. Trust me. :DShe does look kinda like your profile picture, actually ;)
She does look kinda like your profile picture, actually ;)
Just out of intrest, do you look like your profile in real life?
When I made that Sim, I was trying to make it look like myself. My hair's shorter now and not as reddish. And, of course, I'm not a young adult. And I'm not that thin, either, ;DYou're not a YA?! :o That's right, you're a teen right? ;D
When I made that Sim, I was trying to make it look like myself. My hair's shorter now and not as reddish. And, of course, I'm not a young adult. And I'm not that thin, either, ;D
You're not a YA?! :o That's right, you're a teen right? ;DHehe ;D
Hehe ;D
Esther's right, of course you're a teen, Pam!
Only in my mind! I have learned that a person's teen years are the ones that live forever in her mind. :)Oh dear, then.
I might sound like a noob but how do you save sims to the bin??
I just gobbled up 175 pages of that story in a couple of hours. I couldn't stop reading. That was incredible, and it has not only inspired me to join the forum and start posting, but to get some expansion packs and get to work on my own story! Thank you Pam!Welcome to the Forum, stephalina!
Hey Pam I was wondering how big each Immortal Musuem room is?? Length by Width?
Hey Pam I was wondering how big each Immortal Musuem room is?? Length by Width?
Awesome work Pam! I'm off to download the Dreamweavers!... I'm kind of dreading downloading Midnight though. I don't have any of the store items she wears... I wonder what she'll look like?Where can you download them? Sims 3 exchange? Swap Shop?
All of Forest's children are named a color of yellow: Buttermilk, Mustard, Saffron, Canary, Cheddar, Popcorn, Chiffon, and Dandelion.
Haha I like Cheddar and Popcorn, are they twins? Very creative color names, do you come up with them yourself??
None are twins; all are single births. I used Wikipedia (http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow) for these names. For example, I searched for "yellow" and it brings up a list of every possible shade of yellow, the name, and the hex code. The two newest yellow Dreamweavers are named Amber and Citrine.Isn't Amber an orangy colour?
Isn't Amber an orangy colour?
Amber is soo cute and does she have Bubblegum's tips?
Will this be the first Thread to reach 100,000 views? ;)Wow, probably!
Will this be the first Thread to reach 100,000 views? ;)I hope so! What am I saying? Of course it will!! ;D
Thank you, everyone!! What an honor to have the first thread on our Forum to hit 100,000 views! I hope Carl will be happy, too. :DYay
Thank you, everyone!! What an honor to have the first thread on our Forum to hit 100,000 views! I hope Carl will be happy, too. :D
Thank you, Bren. I appreciate your kind words. One of the projects I'll be doing for Carl is trimming down my Dreamweaver story so it can be featured on the Guide. So, hopefully, someday members won't have to slog all through these pages to read the story.Eee!
Thank you, Bren. I appreciate your kind words. One of the projects I'll be doing for Carl is trimming down my Dreamweaver story so it can be featured on the Guide. So, hopefully, someday members won't have to slog all through these pages to read the story.That will be great!
What sort of personal use do you have in mind?
To print out and have a hard copy for easier access. I hope you don't mind.
Didn't you say samoht made Indigo and Chartreuse's house?
Thanks StarDust. I'm glad to hear that my story encouraged you to join the Forum. I'll be writing another story in the near future when I do the new DecaDynasty challenge.
Thanks StarDust. I'm glad to hear that my story encouraged you to join the Forum. I'll be writing another story in the near future when I do the new DecaDynasty challenge.I can't wait to read it, Pam. I am sure I'll love your new story just as much as I love the Dreamweavers. :)
I don't know what there is for me to say that hasn't been said before. The first completed dynasty I ever read was Metro's and after reading that I thought none could top it. I was wrong. I read this over a couple days, and it was the best sim story I have ever read. Thank you for writing this Pam. I will definitly read a decadynasty story that you write.
I know that I was here while this was going on, but I just reread it the other day. The Dreamweaver's are an inspiration, and Pam, when you do start a DecaDynasty can you do me the honor of letting me know via PM? I haven't been reading stories lately unless asked to so I wouldn't know for awhile otherwise. Thanks. ;D
Sure, Esther, I'll be glad to. I'm hoping to have the first post up within a week.Wow, that's great! I can hardly wait to read it.... What families will you be stating with? Or is that a secret? ;)
Wow, that's great! I can hardly wait to read it.... What families will you be stating with? Or is that a secret? ;)
Haha! You know it's a secret! ;DYeah, I probably could have guessed.... ;)
I guess we'll have to wait and see then. Please don't keep us waiting too long Pam.
Hehe. You weren't around while I was writing this Immortal Dynasty story, so you don't know how I am.
Well I was. Just not registered. :P
I see. So did you follow along with Simstar and Esther in reading it?
Haha! You know it's a secret! ;DAnd we all know how Pam is with secrets. She almost literally made me lose my sanity with the "Who is Forest's daddy?" mystery and the midnight mystery. ;D I hope she won't do that again, but she probably will. :D
And we all know how Pam is with secrets. She almost literally made me lose my sanity with the "Who is Forest's daddy?" mystery and the midnight mystery. ;D I hope she won't do that again, but she probably will. :D
Pam,we already have our first two mysteries. When are you going to start and who will the starting family be.And when it starts we'll have two more: when is the next update and why isn't it right now. ;D
Rachel
And when it starts we'll have two more: when is the next update and why isn't it right now. ;D
And when Pam logs off: When will she log back on, and will she deliver the next update.
And when it starts we'll have two more: when is the next update and why isn't it right now. ;DHa! Too true, TallStar!
Y'all are making me laugh. I remember those days when I was writing this story. That's exactly how it really was. :DI remember one particular incident near the end of the Midnight saga where I was stalking the 'Who's Online' list. When Pam came on, I immediately reported back here and told everyone... Pam was fairly shocked when she noticed the various posts detailing her whereabouts!
I think my favorite person of the Dreamweavers, is clearly Indigo, even though she's mortal. I think her Insane trait has something to do with it, and the part that Insane Sims are my favorite Sims ever! I hope this isn't too irrelevant to the story topic, but would Indigo's overall Sim persona qualify her for immortality? I would love to give her that chance in 2012!
If Indigo could qualify as an immortal. If she is, with your permission, may I use her as a founder? She's got really nice genes and I love her personality. :)
Ok then, sounds good. Just be sure not to use the same name as I did. Make it at least a little different, like Seabody did.
Actually, I was planning on giving her a makeover. One, she would have Cornelia Goth's hair color, but with the dark red highlights. (It goes with her name better, I think). She will have a Katy Perry inspired wardrobe and longer hairstyle, with fun funky makeup! I actually thought about changing her LTW to either Cat Herder or Rock Star, and putting her in the rock branch of the music career. I was going to change her snob trait to cat person too. I hope you don't mind Indigo being a cat person. ;)
Actually, I was planning on giving her a makeover. One, she would have Cornelia Goth's hair color, but with the dark red highlights. (It goes with her name better, I think). She will have a Katy Perry inspired wardrobe and longer hairstyle, with fun funky makeup! I actually thought about changing her LTW to either Cat Herder or Rock Star, and putting her in the rock branch of the music career. I was going to change her snob trait to cat person too. I hope you don't mind Indigo being a cat person. ;)But that's not even Indigo. It seems like you are more asking to use permission for the name rather than anything about her.
Sportsfan, I was trying to do something along the line of Seabody's use of Banana.Did he change anything about her though? I mean besides traits.
Did he change anything about her though? I mean besides traits.
I'm sorry I didn't mean for it to sound like that! :-[ I just wanted to use her but give her a lifetime wish suited to her Insane, Good, Excitable, Virtuoso and Snob traits.
Pam this Dynasty is amazing. I joined a while after you finished but I read it from about Generation 3. It was this thread that made me want to join this forum. :D
Bubblegum has moved to Bridgeport to be a Mixologist. I've got a couple of cute videos of her.
Bubblegum Rejected (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=176786922365385&oid=119594271401753&comments)
Pam- This video is just too funny for words! I just have to know what happened when Bubblegum went back into the elevator the second time? Did she get rejected again? The sulk walk and the strutting is one of the funniest behaviors the Sims do that crack me up - lol.
Pam, can you PM me the hex codes you used for the dreamweavers?
It's really starting to sound like you're trying to copy my Dreamweaver Immortal Dynasty.No Pam it is not that it is just because I downloaded bubblegum and when I loaded her in. CAS she had one of the base game maternity outfits on.
How did you do the Hex code thing I read somewhere?
Well, that's just completely awesome, Jude! Thank you.
I think Pam lost the final save during a reinstall. :-\
So she didn't save them to her bin or CAS? Aaaw how sad :-\
I do still play my Immortal Dreamweavers. At the moment, Indigo is a fairy for my article on the Greener Gardens Lifetime Wish. I'll post on the Announcements board when it's published.
I love how much you trust the Dreamweavers. I feel like I can't leave my sneaky sneaky Immortals by themselves for any extended length of time or they run right to the skill items. I can barely trust my founder with the fridge. She's always trying to cook, even when there is leftovers of her favorite food.
I love the Dreamweavers! ;D
A couple months ago I woke up to my radio playing a song that I never heard before and it had the name of Dreamweaver in it. LOL :D
Oh wow they could be twins. Pam in your opinion did Indigo look more identical to Carina or does Sparkle?
I have a few questions, if you have the time, Pam.
Wait, Chartreuse got a tattoo?
I REALLY hope i'm wrong about this but I am pretty sure the rules say...
Could someone check this?
Are you kidding me?? This was settled long ago. I really don't appreciate you pulling a post from over two years ago and then questioning my eligibility for the Hall of Fame with it.
Sorry Pam, I didn't realize that. I was just making sure. :-[
Please pay better attention when you make a post. Before you make an accusation or ask someone to "check on this", make sure you have all the information. If you had continued reading, you would have seen that the issue was already brought up two years ago and I had worked out s solution with Metro.
I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but when I read stories, I just tend to read the chapters, not the other comments. She probably didn't see it, since you didn't mention it in the story.
Maybe so, but it's still not appropriate to pull out a post that's over two years old and try to question my Hall of Fame entry.
I have deleted my post from before. Sorry for the trouble this has caused.
Pam, are you ever going to do a Legacy based on Pinstar's rules? Cause' once I finished both of your dynasties, I wanted to read more! Your so good at them and it would be great if you would! :)
Thank you for the kind words.
I did Pinstar's legacy challenge when Sims 3 first came out and before we started creating our own Dynasty challenges. I believe I ended up taking my legacy family to 13 generations. I don't plan to do another one because I still have so much to do with our Dynasties. I'm only around half finished with my Townie DecaDynasty and haven't even started a Life States Dynasty. I've been slow with updates these last few months, but I'll get back to writing as things settle down around here. :)
One of our newer members, Sutz, has written and recorded a song that was inspired by my Dreamweaver Immortal Dynasty. It's completely awesome and I'm so honored. Thank you, Sutz.After reading Pam's (completed) Dreamweaver Dynasty for an hour each evening ... Sutz Song and Video brought back all the names of the Dreamweavers; and various trials and tribulations they have been through. Love that Sutz' final shot is a celebration of their get-togetherness and the band that forged a strong bond *sniff*. Thanks for Sharing.
Waiting for Midnight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6nj5YOy8R0)
Such a beautiful wedding, Pam! Hopefully they make a beautiful nooboo together.
Pam,
I just have to say that I love this story. I started reading it yesterday and finally finished it up today.
I am a total Noob on here and just have to say...."You make me want to start making stories like this instead of just playing it as a game." You brought this Dreamweaver family to life and I loved every up and down that came along the way. Now if I could just figure out how to do something like this I would be happy. I always get bored with mine, delete them and start over.
Any idea's for a Noob to get started?
~Dragonsgirl~
Amazing Pam I'm going to miss Bubblegum :'(.
I love it. Always like to hear when someone enjoys my story. :)
Thanks Pam. Its a shame that they won't be on the guide though. :( At least the stories are still here! :)
Thinking about it, how do I move a dynasty? (In case a miracle happens and I complete it)
I know I am beginning to get annoying (or way past that) but how do I do that?
Do you still know the traits for all your Immortals, Pam? I was curious as to Bubblegum's traits as I wanted to emulate her in the first heir of my unofficial 4x4 Dynasty, who will be doing the Mixology skill challenges. ^_^
Thanks! This will help me a lot. I will try to find a picture server so I can upload the photos of my Dynasty heirs when they hit young adult! You did say it was okay to set a thread in the 4x4 Dynasty forum and mark it as unofficial so nobody calls me out of it, right? I just like reading all the great Dynasties and wanted to show my own but I am not deluded into thinking I can get HoF. (I just can't break the horrible motives cheat that makes everyone happy. And if I ever get Sims 4, I'll probably look for that cheat first thing. :-[ ) This first story is a nod to all the great Dynasties.
Your Dreamweavers are wonderful and the children Carina and Forest had after the Dynasty with other mates was cool - I was smiling at the fact that Forest's vampire wife kept popping vampboos. I think you just had bad luck getting a human baby. If only I had kind of luck with ghost spouses getting ghost-boos. ;D
Oh and will you make another Dynasty? Like 4x4 Dynasty, Life States? That would be so cool if you do it! Let me know if you do if ;D
The rule was put in rather recently (not that I agree with it, but Metro did), long after Pam finished her dynasty. Rule changes can't affect already-finished dynasties because it's not fair to the players.
So you can't get the reward. Pam could because there wasn't a rule against it at the time.